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Leeds United v Cardiff City
Leeds United
Leeds United
5–2
FA Cup, 3rd Round Replay
18/01/2023
Elland Road
Cardiff City
Cardiff City
All-time record vs Cardiff City
66
Played
21
Won
16
Drawn
29
Lost
+5
GD
32%
Win %
Home record at Elland Road
34
Played
14
Won
9
Drawn
11
Lost
+19
GD
41%
Win %
DateGroundScoreCompetition
08/01/2023 Cardiff City Stadium 2–2 D FA Cup, 3rd Round ↗
21/06/2020 Cardiff City Stadium 2–0 L Championship ↗
14/12/2019 Elland Road 3–3 D Championship ↗
03/02/2018 Elland Road 1–4 L Championship ↗
26/09/2017 Cardiff City Stadium 3–1 L Championship ↗
All-time top scorers vs Cardiff City
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1 Patrick Bamford 5
2 Joel Piroe 3
3 Jim Storrie 3
4 Bobby Forrest 3
5 Wilfried Gnonto 3
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Goa Meslier
Def Wober
Def Llorente
Def Firpo
Mid Roca
Mid Adams
Mid Greenwood
Mid Harrison
Mid Gnonto
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Substitutes
SUB Aaronson
SUB Bamford
SUB Ayling
SUB Gelhardt
Unused Substitutes
-- Robles
-- Perkins
-- Gyabi
-- Struijk
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Jaydog wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 3:56 pm Yeah that’s what I think. It just coincides with Marsch so he gets some credit for it. But I’m beginning to realise it’s almost certainly not the case.
Rodri? Doesn’t he play for Citeh
Bizarrely Rodri at City has Rodrigo on his shirt, and our Rodrigo seemingly is known as Rodri. Mayeb they should have swopped shirts after the recent match.
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weasel wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 4:21 pm Bizarrely Rodri at City has Rodrigo on his shirt, and our Rodrigo seemingly is known as Rodri. Mayeb they should have swopped shirts after the recent match.
Seems you can put any part of your name on your shirt these days. I’d just have DOG on mine if I was a footballer. That’s god backwards. Apt
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This a must win game and we must put out the strongest possible team. Playing a makeshift side like we did at Cardiff is just asking for trouble.
Plus i think as well as win it we need to show some decent football and not just get lucky.
Does it go straight to penalties after 90 minutes ? or is there extra time as well ?
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GreennWhite wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 4:51 pm This a must win game and we must put out the strongest possible team. Playing a makeshift side like we did at Cardiff is just asking for trouble.
Plus i think as well as win it we need to show some decent football and not just get lucky.
Does it go straight to penalties after 90 minutes ? or is there extra time as well ?
Extra-time then penalties, Greenn.
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Got to put out a strong team to start tomorrow both for giving ourselves the best chance to win, for confidence, and for forging some kind of defensive reliability. Ideal situation is to put them to the sword, score a few, and then bring on replacements who need to build match fitness but should be considered PL matchday contenders e.g. Bamford and Sinisterra.

For that reason my team to start would be:

Meslier
Ayling
Koch
Wober
Firpo
Adams
Roca
Aaronson
Harrison
Gnonto
Rodrigo

Everything going well, I would sub in Kristensen, Bamford, Sinisterra, Greenwood, and probably Struijk. Had Gelhardt not been touted to go out on loan, then he would see significant minutes as a starter or sub.

Obviously this is Leeds, and nothing will be easy.
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If the rumour mill is correct and Jesse's facing the chop, then i expect him to put a pretty full team out to try and put some quiet on the western front.
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Kennyb41 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:53 pm If the rumour mill is correct and Jesse's facing the chop, then i expect him to put a pretty full team out to try and put some quiet on the western front.
If rumour is correct, he also needs to make sure he has a really good squad available for Brentford. With that I can see him resting about half the first 11 tomorrow.
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andrewjohnsmith wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 11:48 pm If rumour is correct, he also needs to make sure he has a really good squad available for Brentford. With that I can see him resting about half the first 11 tomorrow.
Jesse's dead man walking for me Andrew.

I like him, and would still like him to succeed, but just can't see it happening.

He's living on borrowed time at the moment and the knives are sharp as a razor for him.

We struggle to score and are an absolute shambles at the back.

If he wants to save his job he'll need to play his strongest team tonight and against Brentford.

Brentford are having a great season and are well organized, so he needs to get us playing cohesively tonight and stop the goal haemorrhage.

I just can't see us succeeding long term, even if he scrapes a few wins.

At least the new boss will have some good players to work with, if he can manage to keep us up.

But the song remains the same for me, we need a massive clear out of the dross in this squad. Extending Llorente's contract was a clear indicator that the guys at the top are still happy to reward mediocrity.

But Llorente and co won't save Jesse, just like they didn't save Marcelo.

We're just prolonging the agony at the moment, and I believe that's down to our board not accepting reality again.
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White Riot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 7:39 am Jesse's dead man walking for me Andrew.

I like him, and would still like him to succeed, but just can't see it happening.

He's living on borrowed time at the moment and the knives are sharp as a razor for him.

We struggle to score
and are an absolute shambles at the back.

If he wants to save his job he'll need to play his strongest team tonight and against Brentford.

Brentford are having a great season and are well organized, so he needs to get us playing cohesively tonight and stop the goal haemorrhage.

I just can't see us succeeding long term, even if he scrapes a few wins.

At least the new boss will have some good players to work with, if he can manage to keep us up.

But the song remains the same for me, we need a massive clear out of the dross in this squad. Extending Llorente's contract was a clear indicator that the guys at the top are still happy to reward mediocrity.

But Llorente and co won't save Jesse, just like they didn't save Marcelo.

We're just prolonging the agony at the moment, and I believe that's down to our board not accepting reality again.
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White Riot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 7:39 am We struggle to score and are an absolute shambles at the back.
We aren’t that bad going forward, joint best scoring record outside the top 9.

Couldn’t agree more at the back, I have used the word shambles elsewhere, we have the joint second worst defensive record in the top 16.
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White Riot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 7:39 am Jesse's dead man walking for me Andrew.

I like him, and would still like him to succeed, but just can't see it happening.

He's living on borrowed time at the moment and the knives are sharp as a razor for him.

We struggle to score and are an absolute shambles at the back.

If he wants to save his job he'll need to play his strongest team tonight and against Brentford.

Brentford are having a great season and are well organized, so he needs to get us playing cohesively tonight and stop the goal haemorrhage.

I just can't see us succeeding long term, even if he scrapes a few wins.

At least the new boss will have some good players to work with, if he can manage to keep us up.

But the song remains the same for me, we need a massive clear out of the dross in this squad. Extending Llorente's contract was a clear indicator that the guys at the top are still happy to reward mediocrity.

But Llorente and co won't save Jesse, just like they didn't save Marcelo.

We're just prolonging the agony at the moment, and I believe that's down to our board not accepting reality again.
Only 4 games we haven't scored in this season WR (2 of those were nil nils).
This issue is defending.
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I'm guessing he'll go with:

Robles
Ayling
Kristensen
Wober
Firpo
Aaronson
Greenwood
Roca
Harrison
Bamford
Gnonto
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Chilli D wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 9:35 am Only 4 games we haven't scored in this season WR (2 of those were nil nils).
This issue is defending.
I believe it's not quite as simple as that.

Yes, we're conceding bucket loads, at an average of two per match since the start of last season. Neither coach has been able to address this, despite their completely different systems and an influx of new players.

But I also consider the ebb and flow of matches, where if we'd taken the good chances we've created that would put doubt in the opposition's mind, and the match and result can turn.

But as long as this car crash defending continues anything we're doing going forward is undermined. The matches against Cardiff and Villa are the latest examples of our vulnerability.

I wonder if another coach can sort our defence out?

Cos the current one and the last one have failed miserably :(

I'm not looking forward to matches at all now, it's creating a perpetual state of uncertainty and trepidation. Shouldn't be like this :duno:
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White Riot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 11:43 am I believe it's not quite as simple as that.

Yes, we're conceding bucket loads, at an average of two per match since the start of last season. Neither coach has been able to address this, despite their completely different systems and an influx of new players.

But I also consider the ebb and flow of matches, where if we'd taken the good chances we've created that would put doubt in the opposition's mind, and the match and result can turn.

But as long as this car crash defending continues anything we're doing going forward is undermined. The matches against Cardiff and Villa are the latest examples of our vulnerability.

I wonder if another coach can sort our defence out?

Cos the current one and the last one have failed miserably :(


I'm not looking forward to matches at all now, it's creating a perpetual state of uncertainty and trepidation. Shouldn't be like this :duno:
I have already demonstrated on another post that we have the players to be far better defensively, it is just the tactics that need tweaking.
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weasel wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 12:57 pm I have already demonstrated on another post that we have the players to be far better defensively, it is just the tactics that need tweaking.
You could be right.

I think Jesse has two matches to save his skin by stopping the goal glut.

If he can't do that, then next please. As this is getting to be tedious when we're seeing sides just roll us over without much effort.

I hope he can succeed, but I'm not convinced of that and this is ten a half months down the line.

Hopefully, he proves me wrong.
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Accrington/Boreham Wood off due to unfit ground ... What's happened to the good old days where this was the norm

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I agree, a win is a must tonight for Marsch and preferably a good, convincing win at that to build a bit of momentum for an even more crucial game (for Marsch) against Brentford. Anything less than a win tonight and at least a draw this weekend will probably see the back of him.

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Looks a strong one, Wober for the injured Cooper, Firpo for the out of form Struijk. Looks like a 433. Sini back on the bench
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Strongest bench we've seen in a while.

Let's batter these fools.
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