Robin Koch- Signs pre contract with Eintracht Frankfurt

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Koch, Robin · 2020–2024
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Re: Robin Koch- Signs pre contract with Eintracht Frankfurt

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John in Louisiana wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:36 pm We were going to lose him anyway. Koch wasn't signing a contract extension with us, so any money we got from a loan deal was a bonus.
This, had we stayed up we may have gotten 3/4 M but not a lot more...
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weasel wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 6:23 pm I am sure I have heard that it keeps rolling. It would make sense (well comparitive sense if you get my drift) for it to roll on as we'd start getting less from the parachute payments so would be in more need to get rid of their wages if we didn't get promoted.
It was a stupid decision to start with hence why nobody else does it.

If and only if we get promoted this season you could say OK it had some benefit.

If it rolls on each season and these players are contractually allowed to effectively run the contract down and leave for nothing that would be ridiculous and have 0 ffp defence or spin.
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Cjay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:42 pm It was a stupid decision so start with hence why nobody else does it.

If and only if we get promoted this season you could say OK it had some benefit.

If it rolls on each season and these players are contractually allowed to effectively run the contract down and leave for nothing that would be ridiculous and have 0 ffp defence or spin.
Really poorly thought out. Did they really think we'd struggle to sell the likes of Koch, Woeber, Sinisterra and Harrison if we were relegated?
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SG90 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:16 pm It's already been agreed, that if we don't go up, Roca's loan will be extended. So I imagine it'd be the same for everyone. Except Sini who has a permanent option in place.
Roca is going on a permanent anyway I thought?
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Cjay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:45 pm Roca is going on a permanent anyway I thought?
It was in Phil Hay's article that we had a "gentleman's agreement" to extend the loan if we're not promoted.
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SG90 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:45 pm Really poorly thought out. Did they really think we'd struggle to sell the likes of Koch, Woeber, Sinisterra and Harrison if we were relegated?
I get the whole book value etc spin thing.

But if it was so smart then why does literally nobody else do it?

If these loans are open for aslong as we aren't promoted in theory Tyler Adams, Jack Harrison etc could run the contract down loan season by season and sign on a free in a few years?

So Adams contract runs till 2028.

Say we don't get promoted but he has this loan thing, he could loan himself out every season and leave for a free in 2028 and its still an 8 figure loss on ffp?

Seems pointless really
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SG90 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:48 pm It was in Phil Hay's article that we had a "gentleman's agreement" to extend the loan if we're not promoted.
So that would cover 24/25 season by end of which he is out of contract in 12 months and if not promoted end of 2025 season he could do it again and do what Koch did?
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Cjay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:51 pm I get the whole book value etc spin thing.

But if it was so smart then why does literally nobody else do it?

If these loans are open for aslong as we aren't promoted in theory Tyler Adams, Jack Harrison etc could run the contract down loan season by season and sign on a free in a few years?

So Adams contract runs till 2028.

Say we don't get promoted but he has this loan thing, he could loan himself out every season and leave for a free in 2028 and its still an 8 figure loss on ffp?

Seems pointless really
Thought we got a permanent transfer for Tyler Adams, no?
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JoeDenver wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:59 pm Thought we got a permanent transfer for Tyler Adams, no?
Yeah my mistake :)

OK swap Adams for any of the others :lol:
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How much did we get for Koch the dick
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Scoobychief wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:12 pm How much did we get for Koch the dick
Could be nothing. Waiting for the official word. I’m holding out hope for a token sum coming in, but either way, it won’t move the needle.
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JoeDenver wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:39 pm Could be nothing. Waiting for the official word. I’m holding out hope for a token sum coming in, but either way, it won’t move the needle.
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Contracts run out ..no big deal...
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The Subhuman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:51 pm Contracts run out ..no big deal...
Didn't we pay something like 10m f**king pounds for him and we see f**k all in return and you say no big deal wtf?
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Scoobychief wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 10:04 pm Didn't we pay something like 10m f**king pounds for him and we see f**k all in return and you say no big deal wtf?
This is how we roll.

When you've given a clown like Orta a blank chequebook then you'll end up with an empty bank account.

There's a heap of players that need shipped out and we won't be getting much in return.

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White Riot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 6:58 am This is how we roll.

When you've given a clown like Orta a blank chequebook then you'll end up with an empty bank account.

There's a heap of players that need shipped out and we won't be getting much in return.

Robbing c**k cya.
Like everyone else he had the clauses written into his contract when he initially signed. I suspect we may have tried to extend his contract during the Jesse season like we did with Llorente but he was not stupid enough to sign.
He played his cards very well, he will get a significant signing on fee as his club get him for free.

People talking about nominal fees need to read up on football contracts.
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DDB220 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 8:54 am Like everyone else he had the clauses written into his contract when he initially signed. I suspect we may have tried to extend his contract during the Jesse season like we did with Llorente but he was not stupid enough to sign.
He played his cards very well, he will get a significant signing on fee as his club get him for free.

People talking about nominal fees need to read up on football contracts.
As with Harrison, any new contract would've had the loan clause anyway.

As a Championship team, getting nothing, for say a £5m player, is really poor and we'll have to make that up somehow.
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Am I right in thinking that since he joined in 2020 the loss will not have a ffp implication?
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