Leeds Utd v Bristol City Match Thread

[rrfierce]

People also can get complacent and made sloppy mistakes, because they know that nothing will happen even if they don't perform.

MB obviously has a different philosophy. To me competition for places is key, knowing that there is someone else equally as good (if not better) that may make take your job if you don't do it well enough.

I pray to god that this unique mentality pays off. I wonder how many of the most successful team coaches or managers think like that.

[WhiteRose]

Ironically, this is pretty much the exact opposite of the teaching of any recognised school of psychology.

People perform to their best when they are trusted, valued and supported, not when they are undermined or feel insecure.

Mayhap you are right, from my perspective different people respond to different methods, where some will respond to trust with renewed effort and determination others will test the limits and take the piss. I'm not suggesting this is the case here but kiko has hardly been performing impeccably the last 10 games or so has he. I dont think his mistakes are through lack of effort just lack of focus.

[Mick Jones shoulder]

Be interested to know if anyone can point to a player in the past who was, is so hopelessly out of form but have been persisted with especially in goal? I actually think when he is playing well he's decent, currently heads gone.

[Mick Jones shoulder]

Ironically, this is pretty much the exact opposite of the teaching of any recognised school of psychology.

People perform to their best when they are trusted, valued and supported, not when they are undermined or feel insecure.

But kiko undermines his own confidence with inept performances at the moment.

Confidence can it be measured? You can study behaviour and make a valid judgement but, you having studied the subject would you be 100 90% confident you were right?

[1964white]

Be interested to know if anyone can point to a player in the past who was, is so hopelessly out of form but have been persisted with especially in goal? I actually think when he is playing well he's decent, currently heads gone.

Revie dropped Sprake for Harvey

[Richard]

I thought we had turned a corner and the team would be full of confidence after the Millwall game but it wasn't to be. I think the pressure got to the team watching that 11 point lead slip away and now it's all even again. The others have caught us up and it is one thing catching a team who are miles clear when you play feeling there is nothing to lose but once the chasing pack were within sniffing distance they froze, they all choked at their chances to leapfrog us, the boot of nerves is now on the other foot.

I expect us to beat Bristol City and I am expecting the chasing pack to struggle as they watch us start to build a points lead again.

[Mick Jones shoulder]

Revie dropped Sprake for Harvey

Certainly did.
Harvey, Scottish International at the time wasn't he?

[Cjay]

Tyler Roberts is due to miss a couple of games according to Adam Pope.

I know he took a thump but deary me will he ever be fit for more then 30minutes.

[weasel]

Tbf to MB he may be protecting Meslier (although not sure he is doing Kiko any favours, heads gone imo).

We saw what being number 1 did to BPF, he made countless errors and it just got worse and worse, if a kid isn't ready then he isn't ready. Meslier had 1 game, no pressure whatsoever, nobody expected us to get anything and he had the luxury of knowing that.

Being our number 1 is different, experienced and highly rated keepers like Kiko have struggled, Kiko a man with experience playing for Real Madrid and being number 1 for Poch in La Liga have struggled with the pressure.

What could that pressure do to a 19 year old whose only played 31 games in his life?

It would be nice to see something of Poveda and more of Augustin though, January signings should be signed to give you the final boost like Sheffield United did and Bristol City have tried to do and WBA.

January signing should be ready to play straight away imo otherwise its pointless.

Interesting comment from Lee Johnson today when asked why he used 3 of his new boys straight away, " I felt like three new guys wouldn’t be affected by any negativity from the game before", good logic that.

And also "Sometimes you just need that, there’s no point in signing them if you don’t give them a shot, today was the right time because they’re good players"

A tough balancing act between supporting your players and making brutal changes. Sometimes changes work other times players can come through their tough period and get back to the form they are capable of.

If I was one of the 3 Bristol players who was dropped the second the loan players came in I would be furious. Not sure how good that is for team morale.

[weasel]

Tbf to MB he may be protecting Meslier (although not sure he is doing Kiko any favours, heads gone imo).

We saw what being number 1 did to BPF, he made countless errors and it just got worse and worse, if a kid isn't ready then he isn't ready. Meslier had 1 game, no pressure whatsoever, nobody expected us to get anything and he had the luxury of knowing that.

Being our number 1 is different, experienced and highly rated keepers like Kiko have struggled, Kiko a man with experience playing for Real Madrid and being number 1 for Poch in La Liga have struggled with the pressure.

What could that pressure do to a 19 year old whose only played 31 games in his life?

It would be nice to see something of Poveda and more of Augustin though, January signings should be signed to give you the final boost like Sheffield United did and Bristol City have tried to do and WBA.

January signing should be ready to play straight away imo otherwise its pointless.

Interesting comment from Lee Johnson today when asked why he used 3 of his new boys straight away, " I felt like three new guys wouldn’t be affected by any negativity from the game before", good logic that.

And also "Sometimes you just need that, there’s no point in signing them if you don’t give them a shot, today was the right time because they’re good players"

A tough balancing act between supporting your players and making brutal changes. Sometimes changes work other times players can come through their tough period and get back to the form they are capable of.

If I was one of the 3 Bristol players who was dropped the second the loan players came in I would be furious. Not sure how good that is for team morale.

[BGwhite]

Tyler Roberts is due to miss a couple of games according to Adam Pope.

I know he took a thump but deary me will he ever be fit for more then 30minutes.

I've had digestive biscuits tougher than him ! Get rid in summer. If he was a car he'd be scrapped by now.

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[Muppet the Cat]

Tyler Roberts is due to miss a couple of games according to Adam Pope.

I know he took a thump but deary me will he ever be fit for more then 30minutes.

No loss there Cjay IMO and as you say he's hardly ever fit anyway.

Have we ever signed anyone who has spent such a large amount of time in the treatment room ?

[Muppet the Cat]

I've had digestive biscuits tougher than him ! Get rid in summer. If he was a car he'd be scrapped by now.

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He'd defo be that biscuit that crumbles into the mug of tea before you've even pulled it back out

[The Subhuman]

Ironically, this is pretty much the exact opposite of the teaching of any recognised school of psychology.

People perform to their best when they are trusted, valued and supported, not when they are undermined or feel insecure.

They also perform best when things are going well, I start to second guess myself when things don't go smoothly at work and I've made the wrong choice. Past performance affect recent performance when you start to doubt your ability.

[Cjay]

A tough balancing act between supporting your players and making brutal changes. Sometimes changes work other times players can come through their tough period and get back to the form they are capable of.

If I was one of the 3 Bristol players who was dropped the second the loan players came in I would be furious. Not sure how good that is for team morale.

I think with how MB thinks the system should protect Kiko, he said how the players are still passing to Kiko and what not. To MB for aslong as Kiko fits the system he is safe, if he makes an error like flapping at a cross then that is the system failing as that cross shouldn't have happened.

An insight into how MB thinks is summed up by him backing Kiko because the team pass to him therefore stil have confidence in Kiko but then acknowledges the mistakes have cost us points. Its bizarre but perfectly logical to MB because the system is absolutely everything and that comes before points.

Problem i have now is Brentford wasnt a goalkeeping error, it was a total loss of concentration and symptomatic of a player under immense pressure and with his mind occupied. Brentford was different to anything before it and that for me was a turning point.

Whether Meslier is good enough becomes irrelevant imo now At least in the short term, Kiko needs protecting more at this moment at least until this racism thing is resolved one way or another.

I do find MBs loyalty and lack of rotation extremely frustrating, what players think i dont know but i do worry for Kiko and Paddy now.

At what point does faith become stubbornness and counter productive doing the players more harm then good?

That is the question imo.

I suppose the flip side of that is how do our fringe players feel knowing that no matter what they do MB will pick his tried and trusted? How does Jamie Shack feel?

Arguments to both sides i suppose, Bristol City are in great form and Lee Johnson still made changes he thought would improve them and it paid off. We have been in dire form but MB wont change anything.

Obviously to many changes can backfire (Forest this week) but at the same time doing the same thing over and over again for months and allowing a double figure gap to evaporate but refusing to try anything different, is that really best?

A conundrum but as a fan itd be nice to see how our new signings shape up when given a proper chance.

[leedsmad]

Unbelievable to think of the position we are in....
we don't win the next 2 at Home could be the end and potentially out of the Play Offs, mathematically not the end obviously but psychologically i think . Our players are Mentally weak IMO.

Bielsa's stubbornness to change and make changes when things are clearly not working will be our undoing and lack of investment and persisting with a small youngish squad . At worst 6 weeks ago i was thinking oh well Play offs at worst, now that is going to be a dog fight for that .
Hoping for some dramatic change in form and finally going up.

Then again what do i know

[rab_rant]

Time and circumstances will ultimately resolve the Kiko debate and it will be the decision of the FA that decides his fate, and if he is banned Marcello will have to come up with another goalkeeper solution.

If he is banned it may change our season for the better, but since the young French goalkeeper is unproven in the championship it may turn out to be worse.

Be careful what you wish for you might get it and ultimately you might not like it.

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[weasel]

Our players are Mentally weak IMO.

I don't believe that for one minute. We are on a bad run, feeling like everything is going against us, missing chances, conceding soft goals, bad refereeing decisions etc and then we go behind to Brentford with the softest of all goals having been on top and we should have been in front. A mentally weak team would have crumbled then but we didn't. We continued to do the same things we have done all season, play the same way and deservedly equalised and were the better team. This against the form team, the team with confidence, the flat track bully that had been gifted a goal. Luton gifted Brentford a goal and then lost 7-0 - that was a mentally weak performance, their heads went down.

[weasel]

Problem i have now is Brentford wasnt a goalkeeping error, it was a total loss of concentration and symptomatic of a player under immense pressure and with his mind occupied. Brentford was different to anything before it and that for me was a turning point.

Those sort of mistakes can happen at any time and I don't think it was anything to do with immense pressure etc. More likely he glanced up and saw the Brentford player closing in and in that split second he took his eye of the ball. He was probably going to let the ball run across him before playing it and in that split second after seeing the Brentford player decided to control it instead but his foot wasn't in the right position. Same as anywhere else on the pitch when you are about to receive the pass and you see someone closing in on you it is very easy to mis-control the ball as you are having to hurry and don't have time to take that extra touch.

[Irish Ian]

It is easy to point to one incident and mitigate for why it happened.

But it is the volume of errors, not just the ones that get punished either, that tell me that the current keeper needs a sabbatical.