Leeds Utd v Fulham - MATCH THREAD

[BGwhite]

We win today & all three challengers would be under pressure with seven games to go

3 points clear of WBA
8 points clear of Brentford
10 points clear of Fulham

Win today and I think we are out of Fulham's grasp. A draw isn't the end of the world. With our remaining home games we should pick up 12 points without question so even losing today and losing all our away games would mean both Fulham and Brentford needing 17 PTS from 21 to go above us which is doable but a very tall order for either.

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[The Subhuman]

Can someone point me to some links where our bench players have had substantial game time, you know 3-4 games starting in a row? Because I've clearly missed all these games where these players have failed over and over again ...

There is a centre forward that has failed over and over again but he's not the problem apparently

[BGwhite]

Can someone point me to some links where our bench players have had substantial game time, you know 3-4 games starting in a row? Because I've clearly missed all these games where these players have failed over and over again ...

There is a centre forward that has failed over and over again but he's not the problem apparently

Sorry faaip can't help you there.

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[The Subhuman]

I doubt anyone can tbh...it's just presumed they're rubbish because Bielsa doesn't rotate his first team..It's a 2+2 = 7 calculation. we have no idea how good these kids can be until they get significant game time. We lose 3/4 players to injury I think four or five of them could step up..

Especially difficult for the youth as there is no football at that level right now

[mav]

Pretty non-existent bench with no game-changers on it whatsoever, poor recruitment to blame.

Brentford have a bigger squad with more scoring options all over the park than the Mighty Leeds.

if everyone is fit, it looks less bad.

JKA, Poveda look to be decent options.

[The Subhuman]

Bench should read

Meslier - Good high potential keeper
Augustin - Highly rated striker
Poveda - Tricky winger with an eye for goal, can cover both flanks
Shackleton - Top class multi positional prospect who's never let us down
Berardi - Very good at this level central defender and right back
Bogusz - Skilful, visionary attacking mid
Roberts - Getting better by the game forward

and I've forgotten Alio, Douglas and Forshaw

then there's

Gotts
Edmundson (Who's at least as good as Bamford)
McCalmont
McKinstry who we know Bielsa ranks very highly
Theo Hudson and Niall Huggins are not that far away from performing well at this level

[Mick Jones shoulder]

Bielsa could arguably be compared to Warnock on his mistrust of young lads, as much as you lot won't like it.

[1964white]

Bench should read

Meslier - Good high potential keeper
Augustin - Highly rated striker
Poveda - Tricky winger with an eye for goal, can cover both flanks
Shackleton - Top class multi positional prospect who's never let us down
Berardi - Very good at this level central defender and right back
Bogusz - Skilful, visionary attacking mid
Roberts - Getting better by the game forward

and I've forgotten Alio, Douglas and Forshaw

then there's

Gotts
Edmundson (Who's at least as good as Bamford)
McCalmont
McKinstry who we know Bielsa ranks very highly
Theo Hudson and Niall Huggins are not that far away from performing well at this level

But none of those players have changed games with goals/assists for Leeds off the bench.

History tells us they are :

Unfit to play
Crocked when we signed them
Injury prone
Inexperienced

You've missed Leif Davis whom I highly rate however he's still not ready for the first XI especially with Dallas in such scintillating form this season

[Mick Jones shoulder]

But the crux 64 is if your never really given the opportunity to effect games. Jka is an even more bizarre signing than Izzy Brown who had previously shown in the championship what he was capable of. Not trusted though by the looks of it.

[The Subhuman]

Because they've not had a chance. We've basically gone through the season with 15 players. Last weeks 11 and Pablo, Berardi, Alio, Forshaw (not counting the keeper) We've always had 11 plus of those players available and Bielsa doesn't not rotate or switch systems..Footballers need games to prove anything..It's our system not the players that have us wondering where goals will come from.

I doubt MB is worried by the lack of statistics on the bench.

[The Subhuman]

I personally don't think Augustin was as injured as was made out, it's weird how every time Paddy is under pressure his back up gets a knock..Nketiah, Roberts and now Augustin..

I think if MB was a truly great manager he's have won a lot more trophies but I think for him his system and the way he plays the game is more important than winning, and he doesn't like his word questioned..hence the "injuries" to strikers and the PJ affair. Can't prove any of that, don't intend to, it's just a feeling.

i love MB, would hate him to go but he's not perfect by any stretch of the imagination and down to him if we don't get promotion this season form the position we were in...and that's the position pre collapse not the position we are in now playing BCD football where anything goes

[1964white]

Because they've not had a chance. We've basically gone through the season with 15 players. Last weeks 11 and Pablo, Berardi, Alio, Forshaw (not counting the keeper) We've always had 11 plus of those players available and Bielsa doesn't not rotate or switch systems..Footballers need games to prove anything..It's our system not the players that have us wondering where goals will come from.

I doubt MB is worried by the lack of statistics on the bench.

There are reasons why they haven't had a chance.

We should never signed Augustin & Poveda if they weren't going to be fit to play this season, we are nearly into July & so far we've had ten minutes from both of them, we needed alternative options in January not during the summer months. Forshaw is decent but he's a constant crock. Roberts is better upfront imo. Out of those players you mentioned only Berardi is good enough to start in the current set-up. That's why Bielsa is reluctant to change things during games, we got worse after we made the three subs v Cardiff

[1964white]

Haven't Alio, Shackleton and Roberts all changed games off the bench?

Alio probably. Shackleton made one assist at Swansea. Roberts two goals at Hull came when we were 2-0 up & coasting the game.

I mentioned last week the Cardiff subs had scored 24 goals between them this season, our only goalscorer on the bench was Alio with 4 goals

[Mick Jones shoulder]

Think Faaip is spot on here the way we play is actually more important. He is definitely no Rinus Michels's total football plus results, I suppose with the Dutch national side you could say they blew up in finals

[1964white]

But the crux 64 is if your never really given the opportunity to effect games. Jka is an even more bizarre signing than Izzy Brown who had previously shown in the championship what he was capable of. Not trusted though by the looks of it.

Because both weren't fit enough to play competitive championship football MJ

Our recruitment is abysmal

[The Subhuman]

Haven't Alio, Shackleton and Roberts all changed games off the bench?

Absolutely

[The Subhuman]

There are reasons why they haven't had a chance.

We should never signed Augustin & Poveda if they weren't going to be fit to play this season, we are nearly into July & so far we've had ten minutes from both of them, we needed alternative options in January not during the summer months. Forshaw is decent but he's a constant crock. Roberts is better upfront imo. Out of those players you mentioned only Berardi is good enough to start in the current set-up. That's why Bielsa is reluctant to change things during games, we got worse after we made the three subs v Cardiff

Yes Bielsa's system..no other reason. It could be argued we made the wrong subs v Cardiff

[The Subhuman]

[The Subhuman]

well that's shocking for a player that can't beat people, can't cross or pass or score goals..

[The Subhuman]

Same team as Cardiff

Pablo
Poveda
Struijk
Shack
Stevens
Alio
Berardi
Miazek
Douglas on the bench