Marcelo Bielsa

[Byebyegeegee]

Pinched it off Waccoe. Certainly highlights why each player's role in the system is key, even over individual talent. Maybe explains why Bielsa persists with players who frustrate the fans, because he knows the whole is greater than its parts.

Was reading elsewhere how the team also has a series of triggers for when to initiate particular moves, when to press, and when to transition between attack and defence. These can be given by any player, so all players have to be aware of each other at all times. Anyone not fully versed in that would obviously cause the system to fall apart. This may account for the occasional howlers and sudden collapses we have witnessed. Overall though, it enables us to dominate games and create a superior number of chances.

This highlights how the transitions take place:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEZT3wxQgHw

Some of the football that we’ve played this season and last season, as shown in these clips, is staggeringly good isn’t it? All down to one man - thank you Marcelo, take a bow!

[LeedsLover]

Bielsa's done a great job getting us back into the prem at second attempt, and hopefully he renews his contract, however,

While Bielsa is good at improving players, he does have his personal flaws, and flaws in a game.

For both players and Bielsa, the Prem is a whole new ball game. The Championship title is Bielsa's first league title in his management career.

While some are passionately and emotionally calling Bielsa a legend, as far as Championship and promotion goes, he is, but he has a long way to go before he can be called a Legend of Don Revie's status, but let's be honest, both have/had similar obsessiveness when it came to games, players and tactics.

Not only will Bielsa be up against better players and teams in Prem, he'll be up against different styles of football and, he'll be up against many good coaches, especially those who know Bielsa well.

How well we do greatly depends on what, and who he brings into team before Prem starts, and how much Bielsa's stubbornness gets in way.

Can you give posters likes on here?

[LeedsLover]

Is that lead singer same lad who was on Britain's got Talent? it's a close resemblance.

[weasel]

The Championship title is Bielsa's first league title in his management career.

In 1980, after retiring from playing in football, Bielsa decided to start a career as a football manager. His first job was coaching the youth divisions of Newell's. In 1990, he was given the task of managing their first team, where he would go on to win the 1990 Torneo Apertura and the 1990–91 Torneo Integración, defeating Boca Juniors on penalties. Bielsa managed the squad that competed in the final of the 1992 Copa Libertadores, losing to São Paulo on penalties. Weeks after the Libertadores defeat, Bielsa and Newell's won the 1992 Torneo Clausura. After a period in Mexico, he returned to Argentina and won another league title – the 1998 Clausura – while coaching Vélez Sarsfield.

[LeedsLover]

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[LeedsLover]

In 1980, after retiring from playing in football, Bielsa decided to start a career as a football manager. His first job was coaching the youth divisions of Newell's. In 1990, he was given the task of managing their first team, where he would go on to win the 1990 Torneo Apertura and the 1990–91 Torneo Integración, defeating Boca Juniors on penalties. Bielsa managed the squad that competed in the final of the 1992 Copa Libertadores, losing to São Paulo on penalties. Weeks after the Libertadores defeat, Bielsa and Newell's won the 1992 Torneo Clausura. After a period in Mexico, he returned to Argentina and won another league title – the 1998 Clausura – while coaching Vélez Sarsfield.

I believe they were youth sides Weasel, and I think the leagues were split into 2 divisions of only 19 games each.

The Apertura and the Clausura apparently are the same league, but split into two competitions, first half and second half. I think Argentina play the same split system....

[weasel]

I believe they were youth sides Weasel, and I think the leagues were split into 2 divisions of only 19 games each.

The Apertura and the Clausura apparently are the same league, but split into two competitions, first half and second half. I think Argentina play the same split system....

Nope he started with the youth side but then moved up to manage the first team and won the title.

The 1990–91 Argentine Primera División was the 100th season of top-flight professional football in Argentina. This season saw the introduction of the Apertura and Clausura system in Argentina. The season began on 20 August 1990 and ended on 30 June 1991.[2]

Newell's Old Boys won the 1990 Apertura and Boca Juniors won the 1991 Clausura. Unlike following seasons, Apertura and Clausura titles were not officially recognised by the AFA so both teams had to play a two-legged final to crown a champion for the entire season. After a 1–1 tie on aggregate, Newell's Old Boys won the championship 3–1 by penalty shoot-out.

There was a weird way that Argentina had their league for a few years. Split into 2 leagues with the winners of each league playing each other to be crowned the champions. But needless to say he did win titles even if the leagues were bizarre. It is sort of in a way like if we had the covid thing a bit earlier and at the point they had abandoned the premier league 19 games had been played (so exactly half the season and all the teams had played each other once). Let's say Liverpool won that league. Then you had another 19 game season once they restarted. Let's say Man City won that. Liverpool and Man City then play a final and the winner is then the League Champions. It is so bizarre because exactly the same teams play in both halves of the league it is just a split after half the matches. For example the 1997-1998 season saw River Plate win the first half season league (Bielsa's Velez were 4th) and then Velez won the second half league title (River Plate only 7th).

[1964white]

Bielsa's done a great job getting us back into the prem at second attempt, and hopefully he renews his contract, however,

While Bielsa is good at improving players, he does have his personal flaws, and flaws in a game.

For both players and Bielsa, the Prem is a whole new ball game. The Championship title is Bielsa's first league title in his management career.

While some are passionately and emotionally calling Bielsa a legend, as far as Championship and promotion goes, he is, but he has a long way to go before he can be called a Legend of Don Revie's status, but let's be honest, both have/had similar obsessiveness when it came to games, players and tactics.

Not only will Bielsa be up against better players and teams in Prem, he'll be up against different styles of football and, he'll be up against many good coaches, especially those who know Bielsa well.

How well we do greatly depends on what, and who he brings into team before Prem starts, and how much Bielsa's stubbornness gets in way.

Can you give posters likes on here?

Certainly going to be tougher in the prem particularly for players who haven't played at that level previously

Unfortunately we no like button on here

[SG90]

I believe they were youth sides Weasel, and I think the leagues were split into 2 divisions of only 19 games each.

The Apertura and the Clausura apparently are the same league, but split into two competitions, first half and second half. I think Argentina play the same split system....

Apertura = summer/autumn Clausura = winter/spring. It's the same year, but they have two champions. The same happens in Mexico. It might be Latin American thing.

[Peter in Blackpool]

Bielsa's done a great job getting us back into the prem at second attempt, and hopefully he renews his contract, however,

While Bielsa is good at improving players, he does have his personal flaws, and flaws in a game.

For both players and Bielsa, the Prem is a whole new ball game. The Championship title is Bielsa's first league title in his management career.

While some are passionately and emotionally calling Bielsa a legend, as far as Championship and promotion goes, he is, but he has a long way to go before he can be called a Legend of Don Revie's status, but let's be honest, both have/had similar obsessiveness when it came to games, players and tactics.

Not only will Bielsa be up against better players and teams in Prem, he'll be up against different styles of football and, he'll be up against many good coaches, especially those who know Bielsa well.

How well we do greatly depends on what, and who he brings into team before Prem starts, and how much Bielsa's stubbornness gets in way.

Can you give posters likes on here?

totally agree with all this.

when he wins us premier league and european titles like the great don did then i will happilly hail him as a legend....until then its 1 second tier championship against league titles fairs cup winners fa cup winners top 4 in top league for something like 8 years.....keep going marcelo, you still got a long way to go, but you have started well.

[Denman]

totally agree with all this.

when he wins us premier league and european titles like the great don did then i will happilly hail him as a legend....until then its 1 second tier championship against league titles fairs cup winners fa cup winners top 4 in top league for something like 8 years.....keep going marcelo, you still got a long way to go, but you have started well.

The football world is a very different place now, in many ways. In particular the money gap between the PL and other leagues makes the task at hand all the more difficult for those promoted from the Championship. Bielsa faces a totally different challenge to the one Revie did, I would would argue significantly tougher in fact. He’s not only going to need his management skills, analytical skills, and a much strengthened squad to survive, he’s going to need to be more flexible in how he rotates his players. And that‘s without a fair dose of luck too!

[LeedsLover]

The football world is a very different place now, in many ways. In particular the money gap between the PL and other leagues makes the task at hand all the more difficult for those promoted from the Championship. Bielsa faces a totally different challenge to the one Revie did, I would would argue significantly tougher in fact. He’s not only going to need his management skills, analytical skills, and a much strengthened squad to survive, he’s going to need to be more flexible in how he rotates his players. And that‘s without a fair dose of luck too!

Thats a like from him, and a like from me,lol...

[LeedsLover]

totally agree with all this.

when he wins us premier league and european titles like the great don did then i will happilly hail him as a legend....until then its 1 second tier championship against league titles fairs cup winners fa cup winners top 4 in top league for something like 8 years.....keep going marcelo, you still got a long way to go, but you have started well.

Thats a like from him, and a like from me,lol....

[mothbanquet]

Biesla is absolutely inspiring and is leaving a legacy. When I read about his level of dedication and meticulous detail it inspires me.

Just found that someone has made an biography on Bielsa. Available in paperback or audio book

https://www.audible.co.uk/pd/The-Qualit ... 1595271325

I am going to start listening this evening

Let us know how you find it mate, sounds interesting.

[Leeds1000]

I think i may have just located Bielsa? New training drill?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53692475

[Richard]

Bielsa has turned a bunch of average players into a Championship winning team, we have become a joy to watch under him. There are question marks over how he handles ‘characters’ and sadly you very rarely get a world class player who doesn’t need to be handled differently.

We need Bielsa for our first season back as I don’t believe anyone else would manage to keep this group of players in the PL and that’s taking into account between £40-£50m war chest.

I’m happy with him, I want him to stay but I believe the season ahead will be his last. Worse case scenario we get relegated, fans have short memories they’ll turn on him and he’ll be off.

Best case we qualify for Europe and he’ll see it as job done.

Probable case a middle ground final position, Bielsa will realise how far short we are in terms of a top 6 finish and call it a day.

My wish - QSI Group buy us out, they throw Billions at it and realise we need a modern day coach who can handle the various personalities that come attached with the modern day player and Bielsa calls it a day

[Irish Ian]

Bielsa has turned a bunch of average players into a Championship winning team, we have become a joy to watch under him. There are question marks over how he handles ‘characters’ and sadly you very rarely get a world class player who doesn’t need to be handled differently.

We need Bielsa for our first season back as I don’t believe anyone else would manage to keep this group of players in the PL and that’s taking into account between £40-£50m war chest.

I’m happy with him, I want him to stay but I believe the season ahead will be his last. Worse case scenario we get relegated, fans have short memories they’ll turn on him and he’ll be off.

Best case we qualify for Europe and he’ll see it as job done.

Probable case a middle ground final position, Bielsa will realise how far short we are in terms of a top 6 finish and call it a day.

My wish - QSI Group buy us out, they throw Billions at it and realise we need a modern day coach who can handle the various personalities that come attached with the modern day player and Bielsa calls it a day

Cant see this fan turning on Bielsa if we have a poor next season.
He has uplifted my heart so much these past two seasons.
He has his flaws but I couldnt think of a better coach to have at EL.

[1964white]

Cant see this fan turning on Bielsa if we have a poor next season.
He has uplifted my heart so much these past two seasons.
He has his flaws but I couldnt think of a better coach to have at EL.

Absolutely Ian

We have to accept we'll be nowhere as near littered with such quality as the top eight teams, we'll also have to get use to losing more games again.

As long as we are competitive & can consolidate ourselves in the Premier League I'd be happy with our progress at that level, anything more would be a bonus

Worse scenario is we go on a bad run & our board sack Bielsa, his departure would be a massive blow

Don't think that will happen though!

[onemoreslogan]

I would keep him indefinitely. It's extraordinary and remarkable how he transformed, not only the play on the pitch, but the entire organization from what had been a laughingstock into something competent and credible from top to bottom in such a short time frame. Some of the credit goes to Radz of course, but the lion's share is Bielsa imo.

When, god help us, he does leave I can't imagine a replacement who would represent an upgrade. So yeah, keep the man and keep him happy.

[1964white]

Can't believe people are looking forward to Bielsa leaving already. I think he could take us to the very top, if he chose to stay and was adequately backed.

I'm certainly not looking forward to Bielsa leaving Leeds, it would be a very sad day indeed

As I posted in my above post it's important we retain the great man even if we go through a bad patch, sack him & it could be curtains for our future!

Look what happened when Revie left Leeds, within six seasons we were relegated