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06/08/2023
Elland Road
Cardiff City
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All-time record vs Cardiff City
66
Played
21
Won
16
Drawn
29
Lost
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GD
32%
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Home record at Elland Road
34
Played
14
Won
9
Drawn
11
Lost
+19
GD
41%
Win %
DateGroundScoreCompetition
18/01/2023 Elland Road 5–2 W FA Cup, 3rd Round Replay
08/01/2023 Cardiff City Stadium 2–2 D FA Cup, 3rd Round
21/06/2020 Cardiff City Stadium 2–0 L Championship
14/12/2019 Elland Road 3–3 D Championship
03/02/2018 Elland Road 1–4 L Championship
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1 Patrick Bamford 5
2 Wilfried Gnonto 3
3 Ray Iggleden 3
4 Joel Piroe 3
5 Jim Storrie 3
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18 Gyabi
26 Bate
26 Darlow
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Sunday 6th August 2:30pm | Elland Road


Leeds welcome Cardiff City to Elland Road on Sunday lunchtime, hoping to start their 2023-2024 campaign with three points on the board. Bookies make the Whites second favourites for promotion, just behind Leicester City, but marginally ahead of Southampton in what promises to be a roller coaster of a season.

In just over a month Daniel Farke has knocked his new look Leeds side into shape, concentrating on ball retention and tightening up at the back, but finding goals maybe more problematic, especially with their growing injury list, and players departing en masse!

The lure of £200k a week was too good an opportunity for last seasons leading scorer Rodrigo to turn down, even if it meant playing in the Middle-East. Team mates Robin Koch, Max Wober, Brenden Aaronson, Rasmus Kristensen, Marc Roca and Diego Llorente have all gone too, whilst Joel Robles, Tyler Roberts and Adam Forshaw are adjudged to be surplus to requirements.

In have come Ethan Ampadu, a highly skillful and versatile defensive midfielder, who is also well versed with operating at centre back; Karl Darlow, a safe pair of hands from Newcastle Utd, and Sam Byram, an adaptable wing back who came through the Leeds academy. In total, Leeds have spent £7.4m, with more signings expected soon.

Tyler Adams (recovering from hamstring surgery), Stuart Dallas (leg), Patrick Bamford (hamstring), Jack Harrison (hip), Junior Firpo (ligament injury), Cody Drameh (hamstring), Georginio Rutter (muscular) and Sam Greenwood (foot) are all ruled out for the Whites.





It looks likely that Illan Meslier will start the season between the sticks for Leeds. The French U21 shot-stopper had a poor campaign last season, even by Leeds standards, but after consecutive clean sheets against Nottingham Forest and Hearts, should be ahead of Darlow in the rankings.

With Drameh sidelined, Luke Ayling should get the nod over new recruit Sam Byram or Jamie Shackleton. Byram may get his chance at left back, but faces competition from Pascal Struijk and Leo Hjelde. Captain Liam Cooper starts his 10th Elland Road campaign in his favoured centre-back role, probably alongside Charlie Cresswell, who signed a new four year deal earlier this week.

Ethan Ampadu will occupy Tyler Adams role, with 17yo Archie Gray alongside him for company. Crysencio Summerville, Wilfred Gnonto, Dan James, Luis Sinisterra and Ian Povada are all wide players capable of playing up front. In the absence of Messrs Bamford and Rutter, should Leeds turn to Joe Gelhardt and Mateo Joseph or a more experienced duo up front, but out of position?

Cardiff have had mixed fortunes during pre-season, with two wins, two losses and two draws. They are currently under a FIFA transfer embargo which prevents them paying fees for players. This relates to non payment of Emiliano Sala's £15m transfer fee. The player tragically died when the light aircraft he was in, plunged into the English Channel, on his way to Wales.



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Meslier
Ayling
Byram
Ampadou
Struijk
Cooper
Summerville
Gray
Joseph
Sinisterra
Gnonto


Darlow
Monteiro
Cresswell
Gyabi
Shackleton
James
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Perkins
Gelhardt
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I personally think we'll have to wait until early sunday before LU release the team news, especially the hitman CF role, I'd expect him to name CC alongside LC at the back.
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I will be very surprised if Sini isn’t in the 9 role with Gelhardt playing 10, they may even swap positions to confuse the opposition. James on the left and Summerville on the right.
The only position in doubt is RCB a coin toss between Struijk and Cresswell for me - unless he moves Ayling there, which I believe is highly unlikely.

I am not convinced Gnonto has a want to stay at the club attitude. The fact he hasn’t started a pre-season game under DF indicates to me that it is unlikely to change for Cardiff.
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So Bamford and Rutter are definitely ruled out then?
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DDB220 wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 2:10 pm I will be very surprised if Sini isn’t in the 9 role with Gelhardt playing 10, they may even swap positions to confuse the opposition. James on the left and Summerville on the right.
The only position in doubt is RCB a coin toss between Struijk and Cresswell for me - unless he moves Ayling there, which I believe is highly unlikely.

I am not convinced Gnonto has a want to stay at the club attitude. The fact he hasn’t started a pre-season game under DF indicates to me that it is unlikely to change for Cardiff.
I thought of that too tbf, but Sini is probably the best 10 we have at the club atm. Gnonto is still one of the best footballers at the club and seemed perfectly happy v Hearts, I think he's happy enough at ER but wouldn't turn down a pay day and top division football should it be offered. He'd walk into Everton's team imo. I think Farke sees him as a winger but I think Farke will start Sini on the left..
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I absolutely believe one football truth is CB's need playing time together before they bed in (10 consecutive games imo as a minimum) , everytime the back two are changed you set back the process. I think I'm right in saying Struijk and Cooper have started together in pre season more than any other pairing so would be surprised if it's changed on a whim, they've been developing a partnership.
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Chilli D wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 2:14 pm So Bamford and Rutter are definitely ruled out then?
It's conjecture based on their injuries.
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Ellandback1 wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 2:21 pm It's conjecture based on their injuries.
I'd agree re Bamford, I would think Rutter has a chance. Paddy could be out for a while
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Most managers like a right and a left footed cb.

Two of the same foot is asking for trouble especially if you want to play out from the back.

It's awkward and will get caught eventually.

Especially if its one of Struijk and Cooper who are hardly Pique and Puyol on the ball.

I'd hope it would be Cresswell.

Also think Rutter may make it.

Depends how bad the bang in the ribs was.
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Cjay wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 3:40 pm Most managers like a right and a left footed cb.

Two of the same foot is asking for trouble especially if you want to play out from the back.

It's awkward and will get caught eventually.

Especially if its one of Struijk and Cooper who are hardly Pique and Puyol on the ball.

I'd hope it would be Cresswell.

Also think Rutter may make it.

Depends how bad the bang in the ribs was.
Did Pique and Puyol play in the Championship then? Archie Gray isn't Lionel Messi either... we're doomed because all the other teams have players that good
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Chilli D wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 2:14 pm So Bamford and Rutter are definitely ruled out then?
Have to wait for the presser for those answers.

I’m assuming that’s tomorrow.
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The last time we played the Bluebirds in a League match at Elland Road was December 2019.

We were coasting the game 3-0 after 52 minutes, Tomlin pulled one back eight minutes later with a delightful lob. We were looking comfortable until Bamford was subbed with 13 minutes to play, far too early in my opinion, as all hell let loose from then on, as we were pegged back with Cardiff making it 3-2 five minutes later, Morrison was red carded, Struijk replaced Berardi, then we witnessed the first of those Pascal moments, as within two minutes, he allowed Glatzel to slip through & slot home Cardiff's equaliser.

I remember the game well, as we were in total control with Paddy leading the line, subbing him early & taking Gaetano off cost us returning to the top of the table.


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The Subhuman wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 3:51 pm Did Pique and Puyol play in the Championship then? Archie Gray isn't Lionel Messi either... we're doomed because all the other teams have players that good
You know most managers prefer a left footed and right footed cb because of the reasons I've said.

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The Square Ball's take on 3-3 draw vs Cardiff, 2019.

https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cH ... QAAAAAQzAw
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Sorry i totally forgot about DJ, i think he's definitely starting him and not Summerville.

These players.....

Rodrigo to turn down, even if it meant playing in the Middle-East. Team mates Robin Koch, Max Wober, Brenden Aaronson, Rasmus Kristensen, Marc Roca and Diego Llorente have all gone too, whilst Joel Robles, Tyler Roberts and Adam Forshaw

Not a single one of them is gonna be missed because of the way DF is going....NOT A SINGLE ONE....and we are stronger for it.
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Willi obviously depressed about still being at Leeds
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The Subhuman wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 9:05 pm Willi obviously depressed about still being at Leeds
I posted that clip up about a week ago on the Leeds training topic.

Gnonto was enjoying himself 8-)

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Farke said he had 16 players in training today. My guess:

Meslier, Darlow
Ayling, Strujik, Cooper, Cresswell, Hjelde
Ampadu, Gray, Gyabi, Shackleton, Bate
Sinisterra, Summerville, James, Gnonto, Poveda
Gelhardt

That's 18. So obviously some missing there. And assuming he's not counting Byram as not currently eligible to play (god knows why not)

Moore, Mullen, Perkins, Allen likely additions as cover. Ridiculous to think that young Joffy is our only senior striker with Perkins the only obvious back up.
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I note that Leeds are 6/1 second favourites to top the table and Cardiff are 80/1 !

Make of that what you will.

Obviously our side should be much stronger going into september - I hope :)
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