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Aston Villa v Leeds United
Aston Villa
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2–1
Premier League
13/01/2023
Villa Park
Leeds United
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All-time record vs Aston Villa
108
Played
32
Won
33
Drawn
43
Lost
-8
GD
30%
Win %
Away record
54
Played
12
Won
15
Drawn
27
Lost
-26
GD
22%
Win %
DateGroundScoreCompetition
02/10/2022 Elland Road 0–0 D Premier League
10/03/2022 Elland Road 0–3 L Premier League
09/02/2022 Villa Park 3–3 D Premier League
27/02/2021 Elland Road 0–1 L Premier League
23/10/2020 Villa Park 0–3 W Premier League
All-time top scorers vs Aston Villa
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1 Tom Jennings 7
2 Lee Chapman 6
3 Charlie Keetley 5
4 Patrick Bamford 4
5 George Brown 3
Starting XI
Goa Meslier
Def Ayling
Def Koch
Def Cooper ©
Def Struijk
Mid Roca
Mid Adams
Mid Harrison
Mid Aaronson
Mid Gnonto
For Moreno
Substitutes
SUB Wober
SUB Bamford
SUB Greenwood
SUB Gelhardt
SUB Firpo
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-- Robles
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-- Perkins
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Re: Aston Villa v Leeds Utd Match Thread - Jack Harrison starts in place of Summerville

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YorkshireSquare wrote: Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:05 pm Last Season
Played: 18
Position: 16
Points: 16

This Season
Played: 18
Position: 14 (Will be worse by Sunday)
Points: 17

Win Ratios
Bielsa: 23.33%
Marsch: 23.81%

We've not moved forward, we are exactly where we were. In trouble!
Except Bielsa was missing his DMF, both CB's, Striker, 10, Wingers, RB and a few others
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That's what happens when you're relegation candidates. No luck, run of the ball against you. Leeds absolutely bossed it start to finish but the defence is utter s**t and we don't score enough . The new players (if there are any) have to make an immediate impact otherwise they're down imo.

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A Tourist wrote: Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:05 pm I dont think that's JM out but, if this is the last straw, the reason is that he played Struijk. Tactics were fine. The form was very good. Just cant ship two goals a game on amateur bs at the back.
Totally agree - why the hell didn't he start Wober ? That's hopefully the last we will see of Struijk at LB.
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velo wrote: Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:03 pm Same old same old, cheated out of 2 pens, a dubious goal for them whilst our dubious goal was ruled out, ah well ,
The man is clearly onside and ours was clearly off. Replay was correct. The VAR on pulling down Rodrigo? Load of horse ####.
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Orange Box wrote: Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:06 pm I’m absolutely gutted that we didn’t win that. We were immense, short on quality but immense all the same. Gnonto Adams and Rodders all super.
Villa are a horrible horrible team. I’m afraid Jesse looks frazzled though
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YorkshireSquare wrote: Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:03 pm Are we unlucky if we keep making the same mistakes at the back?
Correct YS, there is a built in blindingly obvious fault in this team, namely that s**t defence. We knew it going into last summer and here we are again.

Not unlucky - totally self inflicted own goals. If this isn’t fixed then we will go down. We have the form for it now.
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CHAPELALLMAN wrote: Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:05 pm that link you shared about tactics was an interesting one.
Cheers I thought so.
Best explanation I have come across.

We get sucked across the pitch too easily and allow too many one on ones.

Did it tonight in the second half too.
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Re: Aston Villa v Leeds Utd Match Thread - Jack Harrison starts in place of Summerville

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CHAPELALLMAN wrote: Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:06 pm i don't think we would have lost had he started Wober. It's always 2 goals conceded every game, and usually down our left.
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White Riot wrote: Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:07 pm That's how shite and desperate they are :lol:
They filmed the scoreboard ffs :lol:
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Re: Aston Villa v Leeds Utd Match Thread - Jack Harrison starts in place of Summerville

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Finnatic wrote: Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:07 pm He’s certainly been under par since the new contract
Isn’t that often the case
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We've got some good players, some great players. They need more from the man on the touchline!
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Orange Box wrote:I’m absolutely gutted that we didn’t win that. We were immense, short on quality but immense all the same. Gnonto Adams and Rodders all super.
Villa are a horrible horrible team. I’m afraid Jesse looks frazzled though
Jesse now realises how fkn tough it is when not managing the top sides.

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faaip wrote: Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:07 pm Except Bielsa was missing his DMF, both CB's, Striker, 10, Wingers, RB and a few others
And we're missing Sini, Dallas, Summerville and sold two key players
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10 for Gnonto from me. When he turns past that player before the goal he has a quick look at the ref in case of a foul then away he goes. I loved that
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Sigh.

That is the sort of game teams in danger of relegation loose.

Play well and lose is a red flag.

Some positives.

Gnonto did well, Adams did well.

But this needs to come to a head soon.

2 wins in 17
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YorkshireSquare wrote: Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:05 pm Last Season
Played: 18
Position: 16
Points: 16

This Season
Played: 18
Position: 14 (Will be worse by Sunday)
Points: 17

Win Ratios
Bielsa: 23.33%
Marsch: 23.81%

We've not moved forward, we are exactly where we were. In trouble!
And your point is what?

We are a lower PL team around in the table with teams like our self's.

Teams around us have spend 300-400 million in the last few years eg Everton.

It was a good performance with great play from Gnoto and co
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If Firpo was putting in the performances Struijk was, he'd be getting slated. Time to be dropped, Aaronson too.
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faaip wrote: Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:07 pm Except Bielsa was missing his DMF, both CB's, Striker, 10, Wingers, RB and a few others
Don’t worry faaip, Marsch will be leaving around the same time as Bielsa did, just to keep the symmetry going.
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YorkshireSquare wrote: Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:03 pm Are we unlucky if we keep making the same mistakes at the back?
Nothing to do with luck, if we can't do the basics then we'll get punished. We've lost to a mediocre side and 2 wins from the last 18, is not unlucky.
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Irish Ian wrote: Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:08 pm Cheers I thought so.
Best explanation I have come across.

We get sucked across the pitch too easily and allow too many one on ones.

Did it tonight in the second half too.
But that's the system, it's what Marsch wants, to become a 3 CB unit. We hear stories of confused players in training and it's clear teams are looking for this and know exactly how to exploit it.
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