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Leeds United v Newcastle United
Leeds United
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Premier League
13/05/2023
Elland Road
Newcastle United
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All-time record vs Newcastle United
103
Played
40
Won
22
Drawn
41
Lost
+18
GD
39%
Win %
Home record at Elland Road
52
Played
26
Won
12
Drawn
14
Lost
+42
GD
50%
Win %
DateGroundScoreCompetition
31/12/2022 St James Park 0–0 D Premier League ↗
22/01/2022 Elland Road 0–1 L Premier League ↗
17/09/2021 St James Park 1–1 D Premier League ↗
26/01/2021 St James Park 1–2 W Premier League ↗
16/12/2020 Elland Road 5–2 W Premier League ↗
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1 Peter Lorimer 8
2 Arthur Hydes 6
3 Tom Jennings 6
4 Russell Wainscoat 5
5 Johnny Giles 5
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We just literally cannot put the onus on our defence to keep a clean sheet, i hope to jesus he's learnt that.

If he does it will be pure luck, of that i'm sure.
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Don't think he will do anything drastic like give the youth a chance.

He's an old fashioned manager and expect him to go with the same tried and tested dull players.

Said as much in his press conference about pressure on younger players.
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Irish Ian wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 9:39 am Allardyce disagrees.

He would be happy with a point by the sound of things
Does sound like that doesn't it

Would be a mistake to have the same negative setup and performance as we did vs Man City.

But that is his way I suppose.

I suppose if Forest, Leicester and Everton Lose then a point is good

But if they all win that's us basically done

Personally think we are past the decent point stage now.
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Even getting a point feels like a tall order, all 3 even more so. But I agree with Cjay; in our predicament, a point isn't really going to be enough. Stops the loss rot, maybe gives the players a modicum of belief, but nothing more.
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Remember this last season, when we outplayed the barcodes particularly in the first-half with Raphinha running the show, only for Shelvey to spoil our day.

Newcastle were sitting on 12 points prior to that game, the victory transformed their season as they avoided relegation comfortably on 41 points.


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1964white wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 12:20 pm Remember this last season, when we outplayed the barcodes particularly in the first-half with Raphinha running the show, only for Shelvey to spoil our day.

Newcastle were sitting on 12 points prior to that game, the victory transformed their season as they avoided relegation comfortably on 41 points.


I was thinking about that game too

A season is a long time in football
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airedale wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 8:54 am Nothing wrong with a bit of aggression as long as its controlled.


Need to get VAR involved there! LOL
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1964white wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 12:20 pm Remember this last season, when we outplayed the barcodes particularly in the first-half with Raphinha running the show, only for Shelvey to spoil our day.

Newcastle were sitting on 12 points prior to that game, the victory transformed their season as they avoided relegation comfortably on 41 points.


Transformed by there Dictatorship lead owners.

Was always going to happen (maybe just not this fast).

Howe has done a great job.

Joelinton, Wilson, Alison transformed under him.

But vital players like Pope, Botman, Guimaraes, Isak, Trippier

Wouldn't be there without the Saudi money.

Unless we have a takeover like that we haven't much chance

Quite why we never seem to get this sort of interest baffles me.
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IF we did get a point tomorrow, which seems Big Sam would be happy with, and the other three lost Forest (at Chelsea), Everton (home Citeh) and Leicester (at Liverpool) then I can see where he would regard that as a good weekend with two games to go.

It’s a very risky strategy though, we only have to look at last weekend to see how results can go haywire.

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Barlow Boy wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 1:57 pm IF we did get a point tomorrow, which seems Big Sam would be happy with, and the other three lost Forest (at Chelsea), Everton (home Citeh) and Leicester (at Liverpool) then I can see where he would regard that as a good weekend with two games to go.

It’s a very risky strategy though, we only have to look at last weekend to see how results can go haywire.

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Irish Ian wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 2:01 pm After Monday I cant look at it
Time will tell Ian.

I haven’t been as nervous about a game in a long time as I am tomorrow. On that last day of last season, I just knew (sixth sense) we would be fine, and I’m still confident (just) this season but blimey it’s going to be tight either way.
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Cjay wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 1:28 pm Transformed by there Dictatorship lead owners.

Was always going to happen (maybe just not this fast).

Howe has done a great job.

Joelinton, Wilson, Alison transformed under him.

But vital players like Pope, Botman, Guimaraes, Isak, Trippier

Wouldn't be there without the Saudi money.

Unless we have a takeover like that we haven't much chance

Quite why we never seem to get this sort of interest baffles me.
Trippier & Wood were the new signings who played against us, Wood wasn't much good. Newcastle taking him off Burnley probably did us a favour.
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Cjay wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 1:28 pm
But vital players like Pope, Botman, Guimaraes, Isak, Trippier
At least they have spent their money wisely.

Guimarees £40m, Botman £37m.

Look what we wasted nearly £40m on in January, to go along with several wasteful signings prior to our male model.
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Barlow Boy wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 2:09 pm Time will tell Ian.

I haven’t been as nervous about a game in a long time as I am tomorrow. On that last day of last season, I just knew (sixth sense) we would be fine, and I’m still confident (just) this season but blimey it’s going to be tight either way.
I've been nervous for much of the season, as the writing was on the wall prior to the World Cup.

I was hoping the inevitable would be resolved around the new year, unfortunately it just became worse.

I'm now in resignation mode, feeling rather numb if truth be told.

Whatever will be, will be is my thinking now, quite relaxed about it all, mate.
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Barlow Boy wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 2:09 pm Time will tell Ian.

I haven’t been as nervous about a game in a long time as I am tomorrow. On that last day of last season, I just knew (sixth sense) we would be fine, and I’m still confident (just) this season but blimey it’s going to be tight either way.
Im in full apathy mode.
Problem is you get closer to game time and you get your hopes up.... then they come crashing down.

Im actually glad that we play in the early game now as no mater happens I can just switch of the social media and check the scores later.
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1964white wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 2:58 pm I've been nervous for much of the season, as the writing was on the wall prior to the World Cup.

I was hoping the inevitable would be resolved around the new year, unfortunately it just became worse.

I'm now in resignation mode, feeling rather numb if truth be told.

Whatever will be, will be is my thinking now, quite relaxed about it all, mate.
Same here Leon, I'm now focused on the tennis season, looking fwd to the French open, Queens and Wimbledon. I feel very let down this season by both of my beloved football clubs. Leeds United and Wakey Trinity. Resigned to failure by both.
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Looking forward to it as always
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1964white wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 2:46 pm At least they have spent their money wisely.

Guimarees £40m, Botman £37m.

Look what we wasted nearly £40m on in January, to go along with several wasteful signings prior to our male model.
They've spent well.

There owners may be a front for a brutal Dictatorship but they are serious people with a plan.

We have a mishmash of random faceless investors fronted by an accountant who've been sniffing around for a decade and a Italian chancer whose let an arrogant fantasist go unchecked
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Cjay wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 6:05 pm They've spent well.

There owners may be a front for a brutal Dictatorship but they are serious people with a plan.

We have a mishmash of random faceless investors fronted by an accountant who've been sniffing around for a decade and a Italian chancer whose let an arrogant fantasist go unchecked
Kieran Trippier is a classic example

£12 million. Not much different to what we paid for Rasmus.

But look at the difference in quality and contributions.

We'd never sign a player like Trippier though because he's too old. Therein lies the problem.
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whiteswan wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 5:41 pm Same here Leon, I'm now focused on the tennis season, looking fwd to the French open, Queens and Wimbledon. I feel very let down this season by both of my beloved football clubs. Leeds United and Wakey Trinity. Resigned to failure by both.
There's something in the water in Yorkshire, the largest county in the UK.

Our once great football, rugby, cricket clubs are now distinctly average, all down to poor management.
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