Leeds Utd v Portsmouth Match Thread

[Cjay]

Amen brother. So many people say make subs and simply expect that the subs come on, are straight up to the pace of the game and win the game for you. Having made countless subs as a player manager it is far more likely that players come on and don't do as well as the player who was preferred to them in the starting line-up. There is usually a good reason that someone starts and someone is a sub.

That said one sub scored, should have had 2, and one sub got an assist. Not a terrible return even if it did alter the way we played (the same way that some fans don't like us to play anyway...)

I think it is a case of taking the point, not great but at least not a loss. Evaluate what worked well, what didn't and move on.

Farke is paid millions of pounds to make those decisions and impact games with them.

Great managers are good at it, average ones aren't.

It's not an 11 player game or why have a squad at all.

Farke made subs it got worse as he acknowledged, thats on him.

Had it got better and we'd won then he gets credit.

If you are going back to the players aren't good enough argument of last season which was proved wrong once those players got more time then you need to rethink your squad is fine with 2 squad players thing.

Can't have it both ways.

[Barlow Boy]

Still was a hero with the equalizer. Hope the fans give him more credit for the equalizer than stick for missing the winner.

Judging by the stick he was getting from those around me, it was the latter Andrew.

[Jaydog]

Judging by the stick he was getting from those around me, it was the latter Andrew.

Is it a little unfair? If he doesn't take the first chance but takes the second no one would mention it.

[Barlow Boy]

Is it a little unfair? If he doesn't take the first chance but takes the second no one would mention it.

I’ve made my feelings clear on the deserters JD, I didn’t want any of them back and I don’t want any of them playing for the club, but even I felt sorry for him when he missed that.

As I mentioned earlier, all would have been forgiven had he put that away, nobody is talking about the equaliser now, just that miss.

[weasel]

Farke is paid millions of pounds to make those decisions and impact games with them.

Great managers are good at it, average ones aren't.

It's not an 11 player game or why have a squad at all.

Farke made subs it got worse as he acknowledged, thats on him.

Had it got better and we'd won then he gets credit.

If you are going back to the players aren't good enough argument of last season which was proved wrong once those players got more time then you need to rethink your squad is fine with 2 squad players thing.

Can't have it both ways.

Game got worse but one sub scored and onehad an assist. If it had been McKenna doing that you would have been singing his praises because the performance after the subs were made wouldn't have mattered just the effect that they had on the scoreline.

Why are you trying to suggest that I am suggesting the players aren't good enough? I think you will find you have been the one constantly running them down. You twist your view to suit your narrative. I think the players are good enough and certainly did enough to win the match - both before and after the subs were made.

[Ben Scooby lufc]

Ok result for the first game of the season against a newly promoted Portsmouth. It would have been nice to have won but a point isn't a loss which would have been devastating for the new start.
Summerville needs replacing A.S.A.P he was my favorite player last season.

[Cjay]

Game got worse but one sub scored and onehad an assist. If it had been McKenna doing that you would have been singing his praises because the performance after the subs were made wouldn't have mattered just the effect that they had on the scoreline.

Why are you trying to suggest that I am suggesting the players aren't good enough? I think you will find you have been the one constantly running them down. You twist your view to suit your narrative. I think the players are good enough and certainly did enough to win the match - both before and after the subs were made.

If Farke had of won then he'd have got praise regardless of the performance.

As it happened we got worse and still didn't win, no manager gets praise for that.

You literally said

. There is usually a good reason that someone starts and someone is a sub.

So if you aren't implying the players aren't good enough to start what are you saying? Something you said repeatedly last season incidentally but conveniently forget now.

I'm twisting nothing, you are bending over backwards to absolve Farke again as usual.

He got it wrong, we played well in parts, he was found wanting when trying to impact the game from the bench.

Not the players fault, his, he made the wrong changes and too many at once.

He also mentioned xG aren't we going to ridicule that? Blamed the players also specifically? Shall we not call him up on that like Hecky?

Simples.

Hopefully he learned something and we win soon.

It wasn't even a massive criticism, but you won't let it just be partly on him.

Not our German Southgate

[Kennyb41]

Amen brother. So many people say make subs and simply expect that the subs come on, are straight up to the pace of the game and win the game for you. Having made countless subs as a player manager it is far more likely that players come on and don't do as well as the player who was preferred to them in the starting line-up. There is usually a good reason that someone starts and someone is a sub.

That said one sub scored, should have had 2, and one sub got an assist. Not a terrible return even if it did alter the way we played (the same way that some fans don't like us to play anyway...)

I think it is a case of taking the point, not great but at least not a loss. Evaluate what worked well, what didn't and move on.

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[Ellandback1]

Just been looking at the individual stats. Rodon lost the ball 18 times. I wonder whether he's carrying a knock. He just seemed so off the pace...

[Barlow Boy]

Just been looking at the individual stats. Rodon lost the ball 18 times. I wonder whether he's carrying a knock. He just seemed so off the pace...

He had a poor game, I think it was him who headed the ball back into the danger area for their second goal but could be mistaken as not watched it back yet.

[1964white]

He had a poor game, I think it was him who headed the ball back into the danger area for their second goal but could be mistaken as not watched it back yet.

Yes. it was Rodon, mate.

One of Joe's poorest displays in the white shirt of Leeds.

[GreennWhite]

Just been looking at the individual stats. Rodon lost the ball 18 times. I wonder whether he's carrying a knock. He just seemed so off the pace...

I didnt think Rodon looked his usual assured self even last week against Valencia. Yes he was as strong as an ox when he needed to be but his game lacked a bit of composure and he didnt look like he was completely at one playing with Pascal. Maybe its going to take a bit of time for him to get bedded in with Pascal and Bogel at the back.

[The Subhuman]

None of the pre season teams gave us a game really, the first three were training games basically and Valencia didn't seem bothered. I wonder if that caused us issues

[1964white]

Just been looking at the individual stats. Rodon lost the ball 18 times. I wonder whether he's carrying a knock. He just seemed so off the pace...

Blimey, it's going to be a painful rewatch for me!

[andrewjohnsmith]

Farke is paid millions of pounds to make those decisions and impact games with them.

Great managers are good at it, average ones aren't.

It's not an 11 player game or why have a squad at all.

Farke made subs it got worse as he acknowledged, thats on him.

Had it got better and we'd won then he gets credit.

If you are going back to the players aren't good enough argument of last season which was proved wrong once those players got more time then you need to rethink your squad is fine with 2 squad players thing.

Can't have it both ways.

Was surprised he called out 2 of the subs by name in the post match

As for the squad, wonder if that's on him. Maybe he's getting frustrated that the recruitment department haven't been able to back up the 3 positions he mentioned.

[andrewjohnsmith]

Is it a little unfair? If he doesn't take the first chance but takes the second no one would mention it.

Definitely harsh. The goal he scored wasn't easy. He deserves full credit for getting us a point.

[andrewjohnsmith]

Just been looking at the individual stats. Rodon lost the ball 18 times. I wonder whether he's carrying a knock. He just seemed so off the pace...

He was limping at one point. But still finished out the game.

He wasn't the dominant player we saw last season. I didn't realize his stats were that bad. I specifically called him out for the c**k up that led to the free kick and the 2nd goal.

[andrewjohnsmith]

I didnt think Rodon looked his usual assured self even last week against Valencia. Yes he was as strong as an ox when he needed to be but his game lacked a bit of composure and he didnt look like he was completely at one playing with Pascal. Maybe its going to take a bit of time for him to get bedded in with Pascal and Bogel at the back.

He played plenty with Strujik last season. I think it was December when he got injured.

That said, Rodon wasn't dominant at the start of last season either. It probably took about a month before we really started to see how dominant he was.

[1964white]

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[Cjay]

Was surprised he called out 2 of the subs by name in the post match

As for the squad, wonder if that's on him. Maybe he's getting frustrated that the recruitment department haven't been able to back up the 3 positions he mentioned.

Wasnt really suprised as he's done it before.

An odd pair to pick on though, Aaronson scored the goal to make it 3-3 and Piroe set it up.