Who is the best manager in the championship?

[Cjay]

Hull City fans got their wishes, wanting Rosenior out because of his negative tactics.

Now, they regret those opinions & would take him back in a heartbeat.

Be careful what you wish for!

What's that got to do with a best Championship manager poll?

I don't think any Hull fans thought Liam Rosenior was the best manager in the league either.

[Cjay]

I rate Carrick, he's my second choice on the above list.

Still needs to prove his immense potential though.

Is taking a team from 21st to 4th with someone else's squad not proving something?

Winning titles isn't the only criteria for a good manager (Pep said as much about Bielsa).

Resources available of which farke has had more than most in every Championship season.

Player quality of which Farke has had more than most (how many times have people including yourself claimed we have the best squad this season and last).

Seems contradictory given we didn't win the league last season and aren't top now to claim he's the best manager.

But everyone is entitled to a view.

But if Farke is genuinely the best manager then it must be a very low bar given the above issues and the amount of people including yourself who have complained about his many in game failures and deficiency

[1964white]

What's that got to do with a best Championship manager poll?

I don't think any Hull fans thought Liam Rosenior was the best manager in the league either.

Hull would have made the play-offs had they not lost their top goalscorer Liam Delap to injury in January for three months.

[Cjay]

Hull would have made the play-offs had they not lost their top goalscorer Liam Delap to injury in January for three months.

Perhaps.

But don't see how this is relevant to the question

[1964white]

Seems contradictory given we didn't win the league last season and aren't top now to claim he's the best manager.

We would have been top, if Meslier hadn't made such a horrendous error.

Not Farke's fault.

I'm still confident we'll go up.

[1964white]

Perhaps.

But don't see how this is relevant to the question

It relates to changing a manager in a whim.

[Barlow Boy]

Do you hear or know anyone around you in the kop who would swap Farke for another coach, Kev?

I certainly don't in upper N10.

There’s the odd gripe about late substitutions etc, but no mate no calls for anyone else at the helm.

[Cjay]

We would have been top, if Meslier hadn't made such a horrendous error.

Not Farke's fault.

I'm still confident we'll go up.

If Sheffield United didn't have a points deduction through no fault of the manager they'd have 2 more points and we still wouldn't be top.

It's all ifs and buts.

I don't rate either of these managers massively but will ask this

How is Farke a better manager than Wilder or Parker?

Wilder is above him now, actually did ok 1st season in the Prem and did a back to back promotion with arguably a far weaker squad and far less resources than Farke has had.

Parker has 2 promotions out of 2 from this league and is 4th now with as much if not more turmoil than we had last summer.

So by what criteria is Farke better than those? I strongly suspect LUFC loyalty is at play here not a genuine footballing opinion.

Which is fine.

[Cjay]

It relates to changing a manager in a whim.

But this isnt a sack Farke poll?

It's not even meant to be about Farke at all.

It's surely just a footballing poll about who you think is the best manager in the league.

And I genuinely don't see how it can be Farke, I don't rate him I make no secret of that.

But by what criteria is he the best?

He hasn't got the best Championship record Parker does, he hasn't got the best record of getting more out of a squad than its quality obviously, he's been criticised by most on this forum for a variety of tactical issues whilst simultaneously many claim we have this great squad

So genuinely what criteria make him the best? Genuinely interested.

[1964white]

I'm sure you know best!

[Cjay]

I'm sure you know best!

That's a childish answer. . . . .

So will ask again.

By what criteria is Daniel Farke the best manager in the Championship?

He has 11 votes so why?

Must be reasons beyond he manages us. . . . . .

[Jammy 07]

Then the answer should be Scott Parker then shouldn't it?

He's got 2 promotions out of 2 and is currently 4th.

Wilder was sacked by Boro for failing to meet expectations and Farke failed 1st season at Norwich and last season.

Imo context is important, resources, club Expectations etc.

If it wasn't for my bias against Parker then yes I might have put him top, especially as he's done it at more than one club. However for some reason I don't like him and he rightly got the sack at Bournemouth for stating his squad wasn't good enough to stay in the PL which proved to be wholly incorrect when his replacement Gary O'Neil kept them up.

[Jammy 07]

That's a childish answer. . . . .

So will ask again.

By what criteria is Daniel Farke the best manager in the Championship?

He has 11 votes so why?

Must be reasons beyond he manages us. . . . . .

Good question.

Just out of interest though where would you put Farke in the list of the 24 Championship managers ?

[CUSSIE01]

If Sheffield United didn't have a points deduction through no fault of the manager they'd have 2 more points and we still wouldn't be top.

It's all ifs and buts.

I don't rate either of these managers massively but will ask this

How is Farke a better manager than Wilder or Parker?

Wilder is above him now, actually did ok 1st season in the Prem and did a back to back promotion with arguably a far weaker squad and far less resources than Farke has had.

Parker has 2 promotions out of 2 from this league and is 4th now with as much if not more turmoil than we had last summer.

So by what criteria is Farke better than those? I strongly suspect LUFC loyalty is at play here not a genuine footballing opinion.

Which is fine.

Maybe there is a bit of loyalty at play which is good to see but maybe the fans who actually spend their money going to games have a genuine belief that DF is the best manager in the league right now and can see past all the stats & numbers on a piece of paper.

[Jammy 07]

Maybe there is a bit of loyalty at play which is good to see but maybe the fans who actually spend their money going to games have a genuine belief that DF is the best manager in the league right now and can see past all the stats & numbers on a piece of paper.

Personally I think it's so tight between Farke, Wilder & Parker that it's not that big of a deal who's considered the best, especially as it's the players out on the pitch who'll decide who gets promoted.

[Cjay]

Maybe there is a bit of loyalty at play which is good to see but maybe the fans who actually spend their money going to games have a genuine belief that DF is the best manager in the league right now and can see past all the stats & numbers on a piece of paper.

Ahhh the old match going fans know best thing I see.

Would imagine plenty have gone but don't now for one reason or another, they are irrelevant though.

Given atleast 2 of the votes specifically voted Farke because he is our manager and said as much I'd think the best Championship manager vote has gone out the window.

But I'm sorry for trying to stick on topic rather than changing it to another we love Daniel thread

[Jammy 07]

Ahhh the old match going fans know best thing I see.

Would imagine plenty have gone but don't now for one reason or another, they are irrelevant though.

Given atleast 2 of the votes specifically voted Farke because he is our manager and said as much I'd think the best Championship manager vote has gone out the window.

But I'm sorry for trying to stick on topic rather than changing it to another we love Daniel thread

Last season the 3 best managers all got promoted in my opinion. It was however very close and if Farke had managed to outfox Martin in the play off final then possibly he could have laid claim to being the best in the division given our wins against Leicester & Ipswich.

What Farke has done so far this season is arrest the poor form with which we finished last season and then continued initially into this. For that alone he must be given credit but also he's had to cope with both of his first choice midfielders suffering long term injuries and even the most ardent Farke critic must admit he's overcome that quite well so far.

None of that necessarily makes him the best manager in the division but it puts him right up there as one of the best.

[Cjay]

Good question.

Just out of interest though where would you put Farke in the list of the 24 Championship managers ?

Think it's difficult because he has been generally consistent in his time in the Championship bar his 1st season.

But at the same time he has failed in his primary objective in 50% of his seasons, 1st season at Norwich and last season here.

But he is a two time Championship winner which can't be discounted either.

However he has also always had cheat code players like Buendia and Krul and Pukki or Summerville and Rutter so it's hard to know how much is him and how much is the players he's got and the budget he's given.

Many things we won't dont know, could he take over a lesser team struggling mid season and turn it round significantly with limited finances and players?

But also could Rohl for example who did that or Carrick to a lesser extent cope with the added pressure here and the mildly inconvenient summer we had last year?

It's easier for us to judge Farke tactically because we watch him more obviously, and many of us have been frustrated by him and his various deficiencies and those complaints haven't been rare let's be honest.

But then maybe that gives Carrick or Rohl or Wilder or Parker an advantage because we aren't burdened by watching them and the deficiencies they must have as well?

Parker for example I know has been accused same as Farke as being very reliant on individuals, same as Farke it's followed him for years.

Carrick has been criticised for the over playing element which leaves them open occasionally on the transition and Rohl has been criticised for being a bit kamikaze.

So I suppose it works both ways, we can't judge Carrick and co as much as Farke because we don't watch them every week.

But then Farke does get the benefit of the doubt as we've seen on the vote as well.

I don't think he is the best manager in the league, I am one who thinks he is very reliant on the individual and would struggle without it and I think his faults are very easy to see.

I don't think he is the worst because frankly are some awful managers in this league and Farke can't be awful with his record as better players isn't enough all the time as Manure found and Chelsea and so on so he must have something about him.

He seems a tiny bit more tactically aware this season and a little more flexible.

Actually ranking him is difficult, I'd go for somewhere in the top 6-10

[Jammy 07]

Think it's difficult because he has been generally consistent in his time in the Championship bar his 1st season.

But at the same time he has failed in his primary objective in 50% of his seasons, 1st season at Norwich and last season here.

But he is a two time Championship winner which can't be discounted either.

However he has also always had cheat code players like Buendia and Krul and Pukki or Summerville and Rutter so it's hard to know how much is him and how much is the players he's got and the budget he's given.

Many things we won't dont know, could he take over a lesser team struggling mid season and turn it round significantly with limited finances and players?

But also could Rohl for example who did that or Carrick to a lesser extent cope with the added pressure here and the mildly inconvenient summer we had last year?

It's easier for us to judge Farke tactically because we watch him more obviously, and many of us have been frustrated by him and his various deficiencies and have those complaints haven't been rare let's be honest.

But then maybe that gives Carrick or Rohl or Wilder or Parker an advantage because we aren't burdened by watching them and the deficiencies they must have as well?

Parker for example I know has been accused same as Farke as being very reliant on individuals, same as Farke it's followed him for years.

Carrick has been criticised for the over playing element which leaves them open occasionally on the transition and Rohl has been criticised for being a bit kamikaze.

So I suppose it works both ways, we can't judge Carrick and co as much as Farke because we don't watch them every week.

But then Farke does get the benefit of the doubt as we've seen on the vote as well.

I don't think he is the best manager in the league, I am one who thinks he is very reliant on the individual and would struggle without it and I think his faults are very easy to see.

I don't think he is the worst because frankly are some awful managers in this league and Farke can't be awful with his record as better players isn't enough all the time as Manure found and Chelsea and so on so he must have something about him.

He seems a tiny bit more tactically aware this season and a little more flexible.

Actually ranking him is difficult, I'd go for somewhere in the top 6-10

Farke's biggest strength is probably what we all criticise him for, namely he's dogmatic in the extreme and believes if you knock on the door often enough it will open to reveal beautiful clear blue skies. We on the other hand wish to sledgehammer the door down, leap through it with gay abandon and hang the consequences.

[The Subhuman]

Farke's biggest strength is probably what we all criticise him for, namely he's dogmatic in the extreme and believes if you knock on the door often enough it will open to reveal beautiful clear blue skies. We on the other hand wish to sledgehammer the door down, leap through it with gay abandon and hang the consequences.

It's more walk around the property a few times, popping back to the car and then knocking on the door once or twice, than continuous door knocking