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Good Morning. It's Friday 9th October, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road...

Leeds fans push back as Marathe floats dynamic pricing

Leeds United fans lit up social media outlet X yesterday after Whites chairman Paraag Marathe floated airline-style ticket pricing for Elland Road. Posts questioning the plan drew replies within hours of his comments, with supporters arguing that any model built on demand would hit the people who already buy tickets every week. Marathe had told the Leaders Week conference at Stamford Bridge that the club could use artificial intelligence to vary seat prices according to how often a supporter attends and how much they spend with the club. Loyal fans, he said, could be made more affordable. Casual buyers and hospitality areas could be marked up.

The comparison he reached for was the airline industry. “There’s probably an opportunity to do it in a way that does increase revenue, but also makes it affordable for your most hardcore fans,” Marathe said. He added that Leeds already prices in tiers by judgment, and that AI is not yet making those calls. The reassurance is familiar. It is also the part that has not survived contact with the box office. When Oasis put reunion tickets on sale in 2024, standing places advertised around £135 were pushed, under Ticketmaster’s “in demand” dynamic pricing, to more than £350 and in some cases near £500. Nothing about the ticket changed; Demand did.

Fans who had queued for hours were offered a product indistinguishable from what a tout would have charged, except the mark-up was now official. Football has already run the same experiment. Valencia introduced surge pricing and sold tickets from a base price that could rise as match day approached. Libertad VCF, a supporters’ group, called it speculation that treats fans as interchangeable passengers and hands seats to tourists who do not care about the result. Football Supporters Europe described dynamic pricing as blatant greed.

The Football Supporters’ Association, after the Oasis backlash, warned that the version being discussed in English football is a tool for driving prices up, not down, and that it exploits loyalty clubs already know is inelastic. The Premier League still has a partial brake. Clubs must publish ticket prices at the start of the season, and about 70 per cent of top-flight tickets are season tickets rather than walk-up sales. That has not stopped category pricing by opponent. Fulham has charged £160 for seats that were £100 against a smaller side.

Nineteen of 20 Premier League clubs raised prices before 2024-25. Concession cuts at several grounds produced protests and banners accusing clubs of exploiting loyalty while posting record revenues. What Marathe described would go further: individual prices moving with demand, frequency and spend, with software rather than a price list doing the work. American sports have used dynamic pricing for years, and several US owners have described Premier League tickets as undervalued. Elland Road currently holds 37,645, with a season-ticket waiting list reported at 32,000 when work on the West Stand began. The approved redevelopment lifts capacity to about 53,000. Those extra seats could cover just under half the current queue, though not all of them will be going to season ticket holders.

Under the squad-cost rules that replaced profit and sustainability regulations, organic ticket income is one of the cleaner ways to raise what can be spent on the pitch. A full ground that charges more on the big nights is, on a spreadsheet, an obvious win. It is a bad fit for a football club. A seat on a flight is a commodity; seat at Elland Road in January, held by someone who also goes away, is not. Once price tracks demand and “engagement,” the supporter with the least ability to walk away subsidises the fixture the club most wants to monetise. The corporate or one-off visitor pays the peak. The local who fills the ground when the team is poor is told the algorithm has recognised their loyalty, usually relative to a higher baseline than last year’s fixed price.

Marathe has also said he does not want to over-commercialise Elland Road, because the point of the expansion is a louder ground that is unpleasant for visiting teams. Dynamic pricing works against that. Football is a business; few complained when the club paid up to £45 million for James Trafford or £34.1 million for Tarik Muharemović. Something still does not sit right about the highest bidder taking a seat from a die-hard Leeds fan on the attractive dates. English football already extracts plenty from match-going supporters. The case for letting an airline pricing model into the stands has not been made by the places that have tried it.




Gruev on his comeback and Arsenal away

Ilia Gruev could be part of the squad that tries to keep Leeds unbeaten run in-tact at the Emirates. The 26-year-old has not played for the first team since April. A knee injury left him on crutches at Elland Road in May, when Leeds celebrated staying up, and it wiped out his pre-season. He missed the first four league games, made an unused substitute’s appearance against Crystal Palace, and only then got proper minutes again, with Bulgaria during the recent International break. Across four Nations League matches he played 325 minutes, captained the side, and came through a 2-0 win in Luxembourg.

That is the evidence Daniel Farke now has that the midfielder can handle a game. Speaking ahead of Arsenal away, Gruev did not dress the fixture up. “We have two difficult games coming up now, against Arsenal away, then we have Manchester United at home,” he told Capital Football. “But we want to keep going and are in no mood for our run to end. We’re doing well and take it game by game, giving everything we have.” “It’s great being back and I am happy to be fit again. For me, it’s important after dealing with such a difficult injury.

"I am happy to be back and to have clocked up minutes with the national team. Let’s see what happens.” Arsenal, beaten at Brighton before the break, will not be a gentle way back. Gruev knows that. “It’s always difficult against them. On top of it, they will be brimming with motivation to get back on track. And it comes after a very long international break. So let’s see… but we approach this game with great focus. At Arsenal it’s such a tough game, we all know that.” Ethan Ampadu, Anton Stach and Ao Tanaka have carried the midfield through the five-game unbeaten run.

If Farke does throw Gruev in, Declan Rice and Myles Lewis-Skelly are the sort of opponents waiting at the Emirates. The Bulgarian’s case is that he can sit, protect the back line, and give Farke a more cautious option than the one that has been winning. “Of course, my target is to play, but the lads have been doing it really well, as the team’s amazing results reflect,” he said. “The most important thing is that the team keeps thriving.” He was also asked about Elland Road under the lights, where Leeds have made a habit of being hard to beat.

"This game is a Saturday lunchtime in north London, not a floodlit night in Yorkshire. “At Elland Road there is a magical atmosphere under the floodlights,” he said. “The floodlights do something with us… and we want to exploit the positive atmosphere Elland Road generates at night. "We want to keep racking up the points as we’ve been doing until now. But also during the day we can hold our own and, when all is said and done, nothing is impossible in football. That includes the game against Arsenal.”

Gruev is the only Bulgarian in the Premier League, and a reference point for teammates who mostly play at home. After months out, he is treating the next step the same way. “I hope to help the team and pass on as much as I can thanks to the experience I have from the Premier League,” he said. “I know that the lads watch a lot of Premier League, so I hope I can give them something. I hope I can continue like this.”




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I hope Marathe takes into account the fans from Ireland, Scandinavia and numerous other countries who spend more travelling to one game than most season ticket holders spend all year when working out his dynamic pricing.

Fair play to every season ticket holder who turn out every week through all weather’s and have supported the club through the good and the bad days but fans who can only afford a few games each season or those who have to buy a corporate seat to guarantee a ticket when trying to book flights & hotels shouldn’t be penalised for supporting the club.

We used to have a local supporters club where we travelled through thick & thin because we had guaranteed tickets and Sky Tv etc didn’t change the date of the games with a couple of weeks notice, but as the club got more successful the tickets dwindled to the point where the club had to fold and now we’re reliant on a ticketing system seemingly designed to frustrate & infuriate in equal measure.

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Football clubs ripping their own fans off, hmm, LUFC have been doing it for years and will continue to do so, I'm fortunate now I'm over 65 I get a reduction, but the price of ale and food is extortionate and not very often I spend inside the ground for sub-standard fare.
That questionnaire we all got a couple of seasons ago regards pricing was laughable, "would you be prepared to pay £100 for a match ticket" was one such pathetic question, I knew then which way the club was going, it will price normal fans out very quickly, then when the tourists go back in the woodwork if we are relegated again it will be extremely hard to get the hardcore loyal fans back, myself included.
The ground has needed re-development for 30 yrs now, I've always said we would need a capacity of 60,000, other teams have done it and kept the crowd going, take wham for instance, what have they succeeded in (1 fairs cup)
Leeds, sunderland, newcastle and everton are northern teams starved of success but the fans keep flocking in droves as long as there is a hint of PL football and something to look forward to, some ambition,some goals, some achievement, where fans can see on-going progression.
But it has to come at an affordable price for the loyal punters, price 1 man out and you also price his whole family and the next generation out, it really is that simple.
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The city hotels already have dynamic pricing, I assume the airlines too.

I understand many ST holders look upon us “tourists” as second rate fans, and will get upset at the prospect of dynamic pricing, but they aren’t the ones who will be affected. I paid £100 for two tickets in the East Stand Upper last time out - Lord knows how much that will go up by next season if this comes in. As I’ve posted elsewhere, to see a game costs me in the region of £800, and that’s before the missus hits John Lewis.
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Bon wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2026 10:34 am Football clubs ripping their own fans off, hmm, LUFC have been doing it for years and will continue to do so, I'm fortunate now I'm over 65 I get a reduction, but the price of ale and food is extortionate and not very often I spend inside the ground for sub-standard fare.
That questionnaire we all got a couple of seasons ago regards pricing was laughable, "would you be prepared to pay £100 for a match ticket" was one such pathetic question, I knew then which way the club was going, it will price normal fans out very quickly, then when the tourists go back in the woodwork if we are relegated again it will be extremely hard to get the hardcore loyal fans back, myself included.
The ground has needed re-development for 30 yrs now, I've always said we would need a capacity of 60,000, other teams have done it and kept the crowd going, take wham for instance, what have they succeeded in (1 fairs cup)
Leeds, sunderland, newcastle and everton are northern teams starved of success but the fans keep flocking in droves as long as there is a hint of PL football and something to look forward to, some ambition,some goals, some achievement, where fans can see on-going progression.
But it has to come at an affordable price for the loyal punters, price 1 man out and you also price his whole family and the next generation out, it really is that simple.
Like you, I’m there every week and agree the beer is an overpriced, but the food offerings have had a huge upgrade.

Not saying it’s value for money etc, but to call it sub-standard is a touch unfair for me.
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Orange Box wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2026 10:56 am The city hotels already have dynamic pricing, I assume the airlines too.

I understand many ST holders look upon us “tourists” as second rate fans, and will get upset at the prospect of dynamic pricing, but they aren’t the ones who will be affected. I paid £100 for two tickets in the East Stand Upper last time out - Lord knows how much that will go up by next season if this comes in. As I’ve posted elsewhere, to see a game costs me in the region of £800, and that’s before the missus hits John Lewis.
Not me, or any of my fellow ST mates, would say anything of the sort. I don’t go to away games any longer, doesn’t make me any less of a fan than some of my mates who are both home and away ST holders.
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Barlow Boy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2026 11:09 am Like you, I’m there every week and agree the beer is an overpriced, but the food offerings have had a huge upgrade.

Not saying it’s value for money etc, but to call it sub-standard is a touch unfair for me.
It's mass produced, I don't expect michelin star but I do expect (but never get) fresh, hot, unburnt, hard food.
If they have up-graded the food this season, I can not comment, but I've been scammed too often over the years to realise unless I'm proper starving, don't get it.
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I would think that there's an element of kite flying about this where this type of idea is thrown out and then the powers that be gauge the reaction . The upside you get with the 49'ers and their ilk is that they have deep pockets and a plan which they implement with professionalism and on the back of that we are back in the Premiership and look set to build . The downside is that ultimately these are all businessmen who presumably will want to cash out at some stage and the idea is to maximise the attractiveness of the asset and make it ultimately profitable to make that work. With SCR anything they can do to increase revenues has to be on the table for discussion as that's how the club might gate crash the Top 6 . Ultimately the Clubs USP is that despite our years in the wilderness the potential for revenue is greater than all but a handful of elite clubs so if we could become part of that the sky is the limit for future investors.
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Orange Box wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2026 10:56 am The city hotels already have dynamic pricing, I assume the airlines too.

I understand many ST holders look upon us “tourists” as second rate fans, and will get upset at the prospect of dynamic pricing, but they aren’t the ones who will be affected. I paid £100 for two tickets in the East Stand Upper last time out - Lord knows how much that will go up by next season if this comes in. As I’ve posted elsewhere, to see a game costs me in the region of £800, and that’s before the missus hits John Lewis.
No such thing as second rate fans for me, we have fans worldwide like many other clubs, most can only make one trip a season if lucky, there are still fans travelling regularly from europe as well as UK and it can't be cheap, plus the fact that sky alter so many after fans have already made arrangements, my hat I tip to thee.
Plus having a generous sprinkling of new faces makes it as well, if everyone were a ST holder it would become stagnant.
Personally I love having a chat and a few beers with fans of differing countries who have made hardships to support the club we all love, long may it continue.
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Just another example of our current owners showing a desire for nothing other than profits over fan satisfaction. They are no different to any other clubs owners I'm sure, however just because lots of other owners and businesses do it, that does not make it right.
As a season ticket holder myself, I can confirm, I don't class occasional visitors to ER as tourists. We all support the club and wish we could win every game I am sure, however life is not like that so we make the best of it we can, going to games when we can, supporting from afar when we can't.
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Dynamic pricing should be banned. Airlines, hotels and Uber use it and is nothing but greed. The price that is initially set is worked out to cover costs and include a percentage profit, so basically if the price goes up dynamically then it’s more and more profit. Great for the company but completely unfair for the consumer.
At LUFC I don’t even agree with different ticket categories for average and so called high profile teams. It’s 90 minutes of football and costs the same to put the match on whoever’s playing.
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Bon wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2026 10:34 am Football clubs ripping their own fans off, hmm, LUFC have been doing it for years and will continue to do so, I'm fortunate now I'm over 65 I get a reduction, but the price of ale and food is extortionate and not very often I spend inside the ground for sub-standard fare.
That questionnaire we all got a couple of seasons ago regards pricing was laughable, "would you be prepared to pay £100 for a match ticket" was one such pathetic question, I knew then which way the club was going, it will price normal fans out very quickly, then when the tourists go back in the woodwork if we are relegated again it will be extremely hard to get the hardcore loyal fans back, myself included.
The ground has needed re-development for 30 yrs now, I've always said we would need a capacity of 60,000, other teams have done it and kept the crowd going, take wham for instance, what have they succeeded in (1 fairs cup)
Leeds, sunderland, newcastle and everton are northern teams starved of success but the fans keep flocking in droves as long as there is a hint of PL football and something to look forward to, some ambition,some goals, some achievement, where fans can see on-going progression.
But it has to come at an affordable price for the loyal punters, price 1 man out and you also price his whole family and the next generation out, it really is that simple.
Fool beer & low quality food at extortionate prices!

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Johnthewhite wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2026 11:57 am Just another example of our current owners showing a desire for nothing other than profits over fan satisfaction. They are no different to any other clubs owners I'm sure, however just because lots of other owners and businesses do it, that does not make it right.
As a season ticket holder myself, I can confirm, I don't class occasional visitors to ER as tourists. We all support the club and wish we could win every game I am sure, however life is not like that so we make the best of it we can, going to games when we can, supporting from afar when we can't.
I barely get to any games, but that doesn't mean I cheer, cry, stamp, shout, feel the joy and pain any less than a ST holder. I dearly want to go to every game but a few things get in the way...
- Season ticket queue (Currently about 16000th).
- Memberships - whats the point now. Seems like a lottery and not worth £70 to enter the loaded game).
- Cost - We are not wealthy and £100's (all in cost) is a lot, and thats when you've got a ticket.
- Hospitality tickets are an option but way out of my price point.

The saddest part of this is my dad is 87, and is now unlikely to ever get to a game again. This is something I grew up doing and will be sad to never do again. If there was a better way to get a ticket then maybe, but there isn't in the foreseeable future.
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After the takeover and the Premier League first season success, its only inevitable that the business brains are going to think up new ways of generating revenue. The fans are usually the ones that take the first hit, we have seen it with other clubs so it shouldn't as no surprise. The stadium expansion project requires investment of millions and a return on capital was always on the cards. As fans we do have a choice, there is no gun to our heads to say we have to go if we don't agree with pricing. The fans in my view are now not as important as the overall bigger picture. The fans create the atmosphere which brings the game to life but business only sees the bottom line. Of course I don't agree with this airline style ticket pricing but if this one doesn't go through you can guarantee there will be another hair brained idea coming our way soon after. Progress is a bitch and there is always someone that has to pay for it.
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Barlow Boy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2026 11:14 am Not me, or any of my fellow ST mates, would say anything of the sort. I don’t go to away games any longer, doesn’t make me any less of a fan than some of my mates who are both home and away ST holders.
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Bon wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2026 11:35 am No such thing as second rate fans for me, we have fans worldwide like many other clubs, most can only make one trip a season if lucky, there are still fans travelling regularly from europe as well as UK and it can't be cheap, plus the fact that sky alter so many after fans have already made arrangements, my hat I tip to thee.
Plus having a generous sprinkling of new faces makes it as well, if everyone were a ST holder it would become stagnant.
Personally I love having a chat and a few beers with fans of differing countries who have made hardships to support the club we all love, long may it continue.
It must be my scintillating personality puts the ST holders I sit near off. My experience has seen me treated like a leper on a few occasions - maybe I should use deodorant?
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It's a catch 22 isn't it? We all want the club to increase revenues so that we can buy better players and achieve loftier goals. But don't make the Supporters pay for it with increased ticket prices. My God, how dare you! And how dare you take on a sponsorship with those Red Bull people? Those energy drink people are SO beneath us. And by golly you'd better not inconvenience us while you redevelop our stadium. Why, you're lucky we approved that at all. Elland Road is a piece of history don't you know that? Blah, blah, blah!!

The AVERAGE ticket price to attend a Los Angeles Football Club match is around $100. Those are MLS prices. And some of you are pitching a fit because you have to pay $60 for a Premier League ticket? I realize that Americans earn much higher wages than most English or Europeans. But if you think those prices are high, try attending an NFL game. Tickets range from $200 to $300 for comparable seats. And luxury sections or suites are out of reach for most fans.
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Orange Box wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2026 5:14 pm Are you down-under bound soon?
I’ve been down under a few days mate, you’ve not been reading my posts (which are a bit random here and there to be fair) 🤣🤣🤣
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Orange Box wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2026 5:17 pm It must be my scintillating personality puts the ST holders I sit near off. My experience has seen me treated like a leper on a few occasions - maybe I should use deodorant?
You can't please everyone so don't even try, I'm not ST either but get to most games at home and sit where I can get a ticket, don't give a fig if I sit next to the cleaner or someone on the board, as long as I see the game I'm not there to please anybody.
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Orange Box wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2026 5:17 pm It must be my scintillating personality puts the ST holders I sit near off. My experience has seen me treated like a leper on a few occasions - maybe I should use deodorant?
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