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Something we all agree on?

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These guys are no longer the future... they're the present.


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Seen this image on Twitter. Nothing sums up my optimism for this season than this image. I think this low-res picture of nothing exciting in particular will be one of my favourite pics of the season.

On a Wednesday night in July, we had finished our beers and were headed to Glenavon to see this new mighty Leeds team that was assembled play a friendly. We were hopeful of capturing glimpses of some of the latest signings brought in by the new chairman and to see the new manager. It became quite clear early on that we weren't going to get to see the Leeds team we wanted. Instead it was a glorified reserves, or U21's, game we were witnessing. Still nevermind, we got to see some of the main team; Smith and Poleon were there, Paddy Kenny too, and at least we got to see one foreign signing: Berardi. And we didn't get an insight in to the new manager, we got Neil Redfearn. Whilst I felt a bit cheated, I felt more sorry for those Yorkshire folk who travelled over for a reserves game against a relatively poor Northern Irish opponent. Their dedication; foolish.

Looking back in hindsight, all these guys, bar Berardi, were on the outskirts of the team. We saw guys like Dawson, Cook, Phillips, Taylor and thought, "well the future is bright" as we watched a decent game of football. To expand: it wasn't high intensity, it wasn't technically brilliant or in any way amazing, but these guys were passing the ball. They were doing it the right way. We were disappointed, yet got to see something we probably wouldn't have otherwise seen: the reserves, the youth.

In much the same way Byram pushed his way in to the first team, ousting an actual monetary signing brought in for the right back position, Mowatt and Cook battled their way in to a team in positions which were already crowded and for which new signings had already been made to improve. Like Poleon and Kenny in hindsight, Mowatt and certainly Cook weren't in the plans this season. Perhaps the future?

Taylor is slightly different, in that his senior competition for the left back role was sold leaving Taylor as the only option. M feelings on the Warnock sale aside, as this is not the topic for past arguments, I don't think the management would have been happy selling a player if they didn't have faith in his replacement. Thanks to the other youth players, Taylor wasn't just labelled as back up or one for the future... no, the management had every faith that, like the others, Taylor could replicate his form in the big leagues.

And in some sort of poetic justice, the man who helped these guys develop through the ranks, and the guy who stood in as the second rate manager for that reserve game in Glenavon, Neil Redfearn, would - within just a handful of months - become the Head Coach of the first team.

As we go on a bit of a run of form, whilst we maintain some healthy debates on the decisions surrounding the club, let's not lose sight of how great it is to see how far these guys have come. Hopefully some other players like Dawson get their break at some point, and perhaps others who I am currently unaware of.

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Brilliant post mango. It really is a great sight to see. It's what we've been dreaming of for years, that some of our academy lads were going to start coming through again. There's some real talent in our squad. It doesn't matter if their home grown or brought in. They're Leeds. We are Leeds. And we support our own. MOT
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yep ..along with Bellusci (25) Murphy (25) Bianchi (26) Sloth (22) Adryan (20) Silvestri (23 (that's young for a keeper of his quality)) Dawson (20) Doukara (23) Cooper (23) and the exciting Lewis Walters (19)

how could you not be positive for the future

and that doesn't include

Montenegro, Del Fabro and Benedicic
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faaip wrote:yep ..along with Bellusci (25) Murphy (25) Bianchi (26) Sloth (22) Adryan (20) Silvestri (23 (that's young for a keeper of his quality)) Dawson (20) Doukara (23) Cooper (23) and the exciting Lewis Walters (19)

how could you not be positive for the future

and that doesn't include

Montenegro, Del Fabro and Benedicic
We probably have one of the youngest squad of players in all four English leagues Faaip
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theleedsmango wrote:These guys are no longer the future... they're the present.


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Seen this image on Twitter. Nothing sums up my optimism for this season than this image. I think this low-res picture of nothing exciting in particular will be one of my favourite pics of the season.

On a Wednesday night in July, we had finished our beers and were headed to Glenavon to see this new mighty Leeds team that was assembled play a friendly. We were hopeful of capturing glimpses of some of the latest signings brought in by the new chairman and to see the new manager. It became quite clear early on that we weren't going to get to see the Leeds team we wanted. Instead it was a glorified reserves, or U21's, game we were witnessing. Still nevermind, we got to see some of the main team; Smith and Poleon were there, Paddy Kenny too, and at least we got to see one foreign signing: Berardi. And we didn't get an insight in to the new manager, we got Neil Redfearn. Whilst I felt a bit cheated, I felt more sorry for those Yorkshire folk who travelled over for a reserves game against a relatively poor Northern Irish opponent. Their dedication; foolish.

Looking back in hindsight, all these guys, bar Berardi, were on the outskirts of the team. We saw guys like Dawson, Cook, Phillips, Taylor and thought, "well the future is bright" as we watched a decent game of football. To expand: it wasn't high intensity, it wasn't technically brilliant or in any way amazing, but these guys were passing the ball. They were doing it the right way. We were disappointed, yet got to see something we probably wouldn't have otherwise seen: the reserves, the youth.

In much the same way Byram pushed his way in to the first team, ousting an actual monetary signing brought in for the right back position, Mowatt and Cook battled their way in to a team in positions which were already crowded and for which new signings had already been made to improve. Like Poleon and Kenny in hindsight, Mowatt and certainly Cook weren't in the plans this season. Perhaps the future?

Taylor is slightly different, in that his senior competition for the left back role was sold leaving Taylor as the only option. M feelings on the Warnock sale aside, as this is not the topic for past arguments, I don't think the management would have been happy selling a player if they didn't have faith in his replacement. Thanks to the other youth players, Taylor wasn't just labelled as back up or one for the future... no, the management had every faith that, like the others, Taylor could replicate his form in the big leagues.

And in some sort of poetic justice, the man who helped these guys develop through the ranks, and the guy who stood in as the second rate manager for that reserve game in Glenavon, Neil Redfearn, would - within just a handful of months - become the Head Coach of the first team.

As we go on a bit of a run of form, whilst we maintain some healthy debates on the decisions surrounding the club, let's not lose sight of how great it is to see how far these guys have come. Hopefully some other players like Dawson get their break at some point, and perhaps others who I am currently unaware of.

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Great post Mango, can steal it for the front page?
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Yes, I think we can agree, although comparisons with the Revie era are a bit of a stretch.

What is the situation with the academy at the moment? With Redders running the first team, and (from my admittedly dodgy memory) the coaches that delivered this batch being let go to save costs. Who is running the academy, and what do we have coming through the pipeline?

I hope to watch the under 21s tomorrow afternoon. Maybe I will get to see the next brightest stars to break through.
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andywatson wrote:Yes, I think we can agree, although comparisons with the Revie era are a bit of a stretch
Yes maybe on quality but as a kid i remember the likes of Reaney, Bremner, Hunter, Gray, Lorimer coming through the ranks, my comparison was a bunch of kids simultaneously doing well
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1964white wrote:
Yes maybe on quality but as a kid i remember the likes of Reaney, Bremner, Hunter, Gray, Lorimer coming through the ranks, my comparison was a bunch of kids simultaneously doing well
We always seem to do well when we manage to get a bunch of youngsters coming through the ranks together. Whilst the players you mentioned above are, I think, a step too far, there is the possibility of them growing together to become more like O Learies "babies". A group of talented players who played so hard for each other they outperformed their individual shortcomings.
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It really is great to see, Mango.

Over the last 3 seasons we've seen 4 academy players break into the first team and hold down places, not because of lack of competition (Taylor possibly the only exception), but on their own merit.

If White didn't have such a problem with injuries I think he'd be a cert for the left wing role currently being heavily rotated...

Dawson, Killock and Walters will be knocking on the door soon, and who knows who will come to the fore next season - Cook seems to have emerged from nowhere pretty much. I'd not noticed him over some of the other youth players in reports, it was only when he was playing for England that he really stood out!
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Stop reminding people hes injured tom......You will ruin the PR campaign for when my Aidy White : Secret Agent Fan fiction comes out. As i still believe he has been sent in behind enemy lines to rescue David Haigh for the Ken Bates run Task force 'Yorkshire (Radio) Berets'

When its finished. You may also have that for the front page Shields. :roll:
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Genghers wrote:It really is great to see, Mango.

Over the last 3 seasons we've seen 4 academy players break into the first team and hold down places, not because of lack of competition (Taylor possibly the only exception), but on their own merit.

If White didn't have such a problem with injuries I think he'd be a cert for the left wing role currently being heavily rotated...

Dawson, Killock and Walters will be knocking on the door soon, and who knows who will come to the fore next season - Cook seems to have emerged from nowhere pretty much. I'd not noticed him over some of the other youth players in reports, it was only when he was playing for England that he really stood out!
I have to disagree about White. He has been given numerous opportunities, and never made the grade. Sure, he has been held up with injuries, but not as much as a lack of any noticeable quality beyond blistering speed. I think the squad is moving beyond him now, after all- he's no longer a 16/18 year old trying to break into the first team. He's in his early 20s and should be established by now.
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andywatson wrote:I have to disagree about White. He has been given numerous opportunities, and never made the grade. Sure, he has been held up with injuries, but not as much as a lack of any noticeable quality beyond blistering speed. I think the squad is moving beyond him now, after all- he's no longer a 16/18 year old trying to break into the first team. He's in his early 20s and should be established by now.
Perhaps... Though it's always hard to say when a player has been riddled with injuries.

We gave him a pretty long term contract when other teams were sniffing round I seem to remember? Doubt he's made more than 10 appearances since then!
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Brader wrote:Stop reminding people hes injured tom......You will ruin the PR campaign for when my Aidy White : Secret Agent Fan fiction comes out. As i still believe he has been sent in behind enemy lines to rescue David Haigh for the Ken Bates run Task force 'Yorkshire (Radio) Berets'

When its finished. You may also have that for the front page Shields. :roll:
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Terrific stuff Leeds Mango,great post too.
Well done and maybe we can all agree.... The future 's Bright at Leeds United.
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Cracker of a post, Mango! I saw that picture on twitter on Saturday night and thought to myself, 'there's the future of our club right there'. Boys who have grown into young men together, and have a bond. Great to see!

As you know, I was at Glenavon that night as well and my experience mirrored your own. Disappointed at not seeing the first team squad but, as we both posted afterwards, optimistic that the future was bright and we had seen some kids who were going to be good enough for our first team. Interesting that the one who really stood out that night, Dawson, hasn't kicked on as much as the rest. But that may be more to do with where he plays, than any lack of ability. Once the danger of relegation, however slight, has gone, I hope to see a little more of him. Redders may not be the next Mourinho, but he knows a good young player when he sees one and, more importantly, isn't afraid to give them a chance.
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lufc1304 wrote:Cracker of a post, Mango! I saw that picture on twitter on Saturday night and thought to myself, 'there's the future of our club right there'. Boys who have grown into young men together, and have a bond. Great to see!

As you know, I was at Glenavon that night as well and my experience mirrored your own. Disappointed at not seeing the first team squad but, as we both posted afterwards, optimistic that the future was bright and we had seen some kids who were going to be good enough for our first team. Interesting that the one who really stood out that night, Dawson, hasn't kicked on as much as the rest. But that may be more to do with where he plays, than any lack of ability. Once the danger of relegation, however slight, has gone, I hope to see a little more of him. Redders may not be the next Mourinho, but he knows a good young player when he sees one and, more importantly, isn't afraid to give them a chance.
Think Dawson is just too lightweight. I mean Byram looked like a 17 year old, Cook looked like a 16 year old, Dawson looked as if he'd struggle to get in to a 12 rated movie. Maybe we should loan him out to McDonald's for a year to beef up.
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theleedsmango wrote:
Think Dawson is just too lightweight. I mean Byram looked like a 17 year old, Cook looked like a 16 year old, Dawson looked as if he'd struggle to get in to a 12 rated movie. Maybe we should loan him out to McDonald's for a year to beef up.
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I think in Redfearn's hands we can trust that Dawson will be blooded at the right time. Redfearn was brave to pick the youngsters he did when he was caretaker manager. He has also shown that with Adryan that he will only pick the player if he thinks he deserves to be playing and not just because thay have potential. It is a similar situation as to with O'Leary who had worked with the kids prior to his appointment as manager and was willing to trust them unlike his predecessor who probably felt they weren't ready - those players then were 'his' players and as shown they played their best football under him.
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